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422:. I'm often wrong, but unless there is no human intervention required here, isn't this a long list of things that someone has to tend to as opposed to doing something else? Even if it's just bot-work, that's still disk space and server time being used. And "our resources" are those that go towards the aims of the project. If the editors doing the work are members/contributors to YW as well, I suppose it's not an issue. Not my reason for supporting deletion, though. 1009:) for citations of independent reports of and conference presentations about Yellowikis. Based upon clues in the discussion there, I actually located several articles myself at the time. More have been added since. Whether content is copied from here to Yellowikis is irrelevant to whether this web site is notable. But so, too, is discussion of Alexa ranking, Google hits, and article counts. Such considerations no longer form part of 1039:
name. Furthermore, currently Yellowikis is not for profit, thus a place to advertise start up businesses should not really classify into this argument. Also, why aren't other articles like wikicompany etc. not being considered for deletion, seems like utmost bias to me on part of the users of wikipedia towards other wikis. --
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Yellowikis doesn't "grab" articles, Uncle G's bot transwikis them. Yellowikis has been around for just over one year. Most of the articles are considered incomplete in some way so they are marked as stubs - and for that reason they are not included in the count of legitimate pages. Yellowikis isn't a
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I've now read the first and second discussions, as well as reviewing the article history. I'm confused as to why some of the cite material was redacted, and now aware it's you that causes semiautomatic transikification to happen (and if you have any ins with the team there, you may want to recommend
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guideline, not a rule, and there seem to be other notability things in its favour (per Kappa, and the links given in the article). DELETE the spamming links to it seen in other articles and see if it can't be rewritten to be more POV. It seems to have grown somewhat since the first nom. On the other
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WP has lots of links to other WikiMedia Projects that are in construction - We thought that it would be OK to link to a FDL, non-profit, (but non-foundation project). Uncle G advised against it so we stopped. But I still think we should be able to encourage people to add information to Yellowikis.
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I'm a long time wikipedia user, been using wikipedia for the longest time, even though most of my edits are done without logging in. I don't understand the fuss about yellowikis, since wikipedia is full of other junk stubs of companies that probably needs clean up. Most are even under the wrong
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but I could have been more clear in that. I also said that bot work still consumes resources. It's a minor point, but I'm not seeing any indication that I'm wrong. The bot runs on Knowledge (XXG) servers, it's consuming a Knowledge (XXG) resource, albeit a tiny amount. Clearly there is such a
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Thanks R!... The recent changes were what was proposed, not the guideline itself, so strike that. Do we know who's actually doing transwiki-ing? It seems to read like someone on their side is doing the work of moving (about to be?) deleted articles over? ALSO, they can't be THAT tiny, they have
740:) should also be in Yellowikis. If you get the chance please remember to add a link to Yellowikis saying something like "Listed in Yellowikis" from the appropriate Knowledge (XXG) page AND add a link back from the Yellowikis page to the appropriate Knowledge (XXG) page. 924:
Thoroughly non notable. And as for notable 'having received transwikis' are we to 'gift' notability to every site we send deleted content to?! That just wouldn't be fair on the webmasters of the thousands of other non notable sites we routinely delete.
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metrics. WP:WEB asks for non-trivial published coverage of the site by multiple sources independent of the subject, and the article links to several such published works. True, this web site is at the bottom of the notability scale. But it
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It's a wiki for business information, that apparently intends tries to fill itself by grabbing deleted articles from Knowledge (XXG). Except that it doesn't really. It has been around for nearly half a year, still has an
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Maybe by then Willy will have reformed, or gotten a life, or whatever? I suggested infinite is a better expiry. Also I raised a question on the talk page of this AfD, and would appreciate thoughts of others... thanks!
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Yellowikis collects quite different information about companies than Knowledge (XXG) does. There are hundreds of links from WP to Yahoo! Business information - are you going to add Yahoo! to the spam blacklist
382:. I fail to see how grabbing deleted articles from Knowledge (XXG) is a bad thing. In my opinion Yellowikis is different enough in concept from any other business directory to be worth its own article. 394:
per nom, and I think we should stop transwiki-ing things to them as well, it's a diversion of our resources. I love Lar's suggestion that they be made to eat their own tail, though! -
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hand, if it keeps growing, maybe even if it gets deleted this time, it can always come back later. Perhaps the article content could be transwikied to itself? ++
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Thanks Larry, but Yellowikis already includes a page on Yellowikis :) . I'd post a link to it here but I am afraid that you'd castigate me for linkspamming.--
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How, exactly, is it "a diversion of our resources"? Please specify precisely what resources involved in the process are "our resources".
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they take some antivandalism steps!). But I have not seen anything to change my vote from keep as noted above. Thanks for the pointers! ++
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So you think there are 52 pages on the internet each with an average of 2,000 references to Yellowikis? Doesn't sound very likely.--
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unique hits. That means that, of the 104,000 mentions of yellowikis on the entire Intenet, those mentions are only on 52 pages.
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Presumably the question of what load on WP transwikification causes is entirely seperable from this AfD, though, right? ++
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What makes you think that "the bot runs on Knowledge (XXG) servers"? Was the hint from the person who runs the 'bot that
1061: 197:, it's had some verifiable media coverage, it's now notable in the field of business directory wikis even if it fails. 36: 1006: 449:— That is still not specifying what resources "our resources" actually are. Hint: There are no such resources. 865: 558: 540: 493:
run on Knowledge (XXG) servers? ☺ And I didn't ask what "our resources" were in general. I specifically asked
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Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a
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the WoW! vandal... PS, has anyone tried asking them to stop spamlinking? (need to go review the prev 2 AfDs) ++
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Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a
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you outright who was doing the work, and whose resources were involved. ☺ Read the article's history. And
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AFD nomination (read the discussion that is linked to above), and that practice has long since ceased.
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business. The use of the "rel=nofollow" tag prevents the external link from acting as linkspam.--
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The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below.
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the company does not have a website on which they state their business information, but the
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pointed out to them that they should not add links to Knowledge (XXG) articles, back in the
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what resources involved in the process (of transwikification) are "our resources"
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If that's who I think it is, xe has just spent the past day doing exactly that.
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So why are you here abstaining instead of over there, actually improving it?
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And "our resources" are those that go towards the aims of the project.
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thing as "our" resources, which is why I can't use my user page as a
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Any organisation big enough to have an article in Knowledge (XXG) (
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Just as some articles point people at WikiBooks or WikiSpecies. --
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The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate.
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Not sure what "205 unique hits" are. I get 104,000 results on
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myspace and why we eliminate spam. I now yield the floor.
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Go to the last page of your search. That shows only
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sounds like an invitation to spam Knowledge (XXG). -
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He only blocked Willy for 208 days and 8 hours! --
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Knowledge (XXG):Articles for deletion
deletion review
Johnleemk
Talk
05:00, 21 January 2006 (UTC)
Yellowikis
Yellowikis
2005-09-02
Knowledge (XXG):Articles for deletion/Yellowikis (old)
Yellowikis
2005-10-07
Knowledge (XXG):Articles for deletion/Yellowikis 2
Alexa rating
legitimate content pages
renom
R
adiant
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21:33, 15 January 2006 (UTC)
Yellowikis Admin
01:33, 17 January 2006 (UTC)
King of All the Franks
21:34, 15 January 2006 (UTC)
Jaranda

21:59, 15 January 2006 (UTC)
Jaranda

22:02, 17 January 2006 (UTC)
Kappa

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