619:. Done. This AfD is about whether this topic should have a standalone article. A "merge" to a list article would delete content and anyway a number of people want a standalone article since there are multiple secondary sources over a long period of time (contemporary WWI newspapers, a famous 1930 book, modern sources). She is representative in the sources of the group of 12, not of wartime cross-dressers generally. --
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Not notable on her own. Tried looking for sources to expand the article and failed. The sources provided also do not go into detail. In the first source provided, she's mentioned once in a list, and the second seems to only be a name drop as well. If it was possible to expand in the slightest surely
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FWIW this is one of the books targeted for destruction (burning) by the German government during the 1930s. The title page cautions: "Intended for circulation among mature educated persons only." --
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None of the information is verifiable, so there is nothing to merge. Even a redirect might be pushing it given that there is no mention of really anything of this era in that article.
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I see no reason why they subject can't be easily merged into the list article. If this had just been merged there in the first place I think everyone would have been fine with it.
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