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and after the riots, the invocation of the 'historical right', and the 'Jewish labour' policy was not changed), but if they were then these events can be mentioned as events that deeply influenced the attitudes. In fact Flapan and Gorny mention them and their effect, which was mainly that the Zionists realised that there was forceful opposition to them (and more to be reckoned with in the future), and that the British restricted immigration, which in turn was disliked by the Zionists. These facts can be mentioned, but if they are discussed completely it is clear that also British attitudes should be mentioned and discussed. That would make the article even bigger. Why should we do this if it is completely unneccesarry for NPOV? There is nothing in
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important reason, and fears of exploiting cheap indiginous labor (a socialist argument) a much less important reason. Yet the sources attribute about equal importance to these reasons, and that is why I wrote it like that. That's what NPOV is about. Adding that Jews earned 2 or 3 times as much as Arabs, and therefore few Jews worked in the Arab sector has no effect on the neutrality of the former. It introduces however a different subject. The problem I have with that is article size.
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word easily used by pro-Palestinian writers. That's why I chose the more neutral 'Palestinian Arabs'. I chose 'Zionist attitudes toward ...' to limit the article to that, and if the title is changed to 'Zionism and the Palestinian Arabs' it will not be limited to that. In that respect writers of books have much more freedom in choosing their title, while at the same time limiting their subject. Segev, along with many others, did not limit himself to this subject. --
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subject covered by the title, which is percieved as one-sided. Equivalently creationists could have a problem with the article on 'evolution', because they percieve that as one-sided. Ceedjee would like to extend the subject to include Palestinian attitudes toward the Zionists and the British. In view of the size of the article (already 44 kB readable text ) I'd propose to deal with that in a separate article, and to prominantly link the articles. --
230:- This proposal of deletion is a bad idea. I wrote on the talk page that I considered (too) there was some pov-fork and maybe a little PoV issues in the article BUT the way to solve this is certainly not first in deleting whole JaapBoBo's work and just after in starting this process of deletion... Currently (but it should be discussed) I think the best title for an article on the topic would be 389:, although I added some texts that were not included there because of space-considerations. This part is also fairly NPOV. The first three sections were added in the last three days. I don't think they are very pov, but improvement by other editors is welcome. This is of course normal in an article that is only four days old. 504:
gives about 10 percent space to discuss the Arabs, but he also discusses mainly the attitudes of the Zionists. Teveth discusses only Ben-Gurion's attitude. Note that Gorny and Teveth are pro-Israeli historians. Have they been accused of onesidedness? No, because in this context onesidedness has nothing to do with NPOV.
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My comment: Actually the title is not one-sided, as it is a neutral title for the subject covered. I admit the subject covered is one-sided. However there are many books covering this 'one-sided' subject. In Gorny's work only the Zionist attitudes are discussed. The same in Finkelstein's work. Flapan
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It seems that JzG/Guy has dropped most of his allegations, and has reduced his criticism to the criticism of Ceedjee. As Ceedjee points out 'Zionists' is the usual way to refer to Zionists before 1948. So I think there's no problem with the title in itself. Apparently there is only a problem with the
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If none of the 'POV-fork' supporters is offering any substantial arguments as to why it is a POV-fork, and if the result of this 'trial' is a 'delete', than I will certainly object! This would be unfair. Certainly on Knowledge (XXG) a consensus should be reached by discussion and offering arguments,
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on the talk page of the article and went directly to a nomination for deletion. Maybe he doesn't like the thruths stated in the article and thinks there are many sources that would claim something different. I'm quite sure the article uses sources from both sides and gives their bearing in a neutral
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Of course Zionist attitudes were affected by events and circumstances. This is also clear in the books I refer to. However despite that they limit themselves to the Zionist attitude. I don't think the Zionist attitudes were 'deeply influenced' by these events (the basic attitude was the same before
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The subject/title in itself is not POV, because it lends itself to incorporation of pov's from both pro-Israeli and pro-Palestinian sources (which are both in it). Also, to call 'Zionist attitudes toward the Palestinian Arabs' in itself pov would be an admittance of a personal pov of an editor that
762:) seems reasonable, although it doesn't include the pre-1917 era. I'd prefer 'Mandatory Palestine' to 'Mandate Palestine' (30.200 vs. 6.100 hits with google), but otherwise it's okay with me. I do think though that we would have to write in the intro that the article focusses on the attitudes. -- 687:
Flapan's and Gorny's titles are about Zionism in relation to the Palestinian Arabs. Their chief subject is Zionist attitudes and not Arab attitudes. By the way their titles are not neutral: for the pre-1948 era 'Palestinians' is not a word easily used by pro-Isreaeli writers, and 'Arabs' is not a
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Okay, I see... I think. Actually, as I am unfamiliar with literature on the subject, I will have to rely on your word here in terms of the attitudes of the historians you mention, as well as how respected they are. Now, as there are two sides to every story, do you think it wouldn't be prudent to
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from the sources, but there is enough original research and synthesis in the article (on top of clear ownership problems) as well as it reads like a personal essay...rather than an encyclopedic article. You are more than welcome to have this hosted on your own personal website, but unfortunately
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E.g. in the article you can read that the Zionist movement had a policy of excluding Arab workers and that therefore few Arabs worked in the Jewish sector of the economy. Quite some reasons are given for this policy. Personally I think that the absorption capacity for immigration was a quite
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article gives a lot of attention to his Nazi-ties, and (2) the article is already quite long (readable text of the article is now 44 kB), so e.g. 'Palestinian Arab attitudes toward Zionism' can better be treated in a separate article (which we could link to directly below the title of this
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I understand what you mean when you write that "the term Zionists is pejorative" but this is only true today because it is a way to delegitimate Israel. Historically and for the period covered by the article, it is not. Majority of Jews in Palestine were Zionists (and proud to
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I don't agree that historians do not refer to the Arab attitude towards Zionism and this would be an opposite subject ! It is even a main point on the subject because the Zionist attitude toward them was soon dictated by the Arab reaction and attitude toward
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has nothing to do with NPOV, and it would make the article very large. Excluding the opposite subject is certainly not POV-forking as that would require exclusion of an opposite view. The three books and the chapter by Finkelstein I mentioned take this
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issues from that editor. The article doesn't seem to follow the title but perhaps would be better retitled to "Zionism and 101 reasons I dislike it...". Unfortunately the article does look beyond repair, not without gutting it to
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Considering that most editors favor a very strict interpretation of NPOV (not only inclusion of various views, but also inclusion of opposite subject) I guess I have to give in. So I'll accept extension of the
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This is a personal essay on Zionist attitudes toward the Palestinian Arabs. It starts with a POV title and goes downhill from there. I tried redirecting it, but the creator and sole editor reverted me with a
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here to try and get the article deleted. Therefore, after looking at the debate (and removing possible sockpuppet reasons) its almost certainly keep. The renaming issues can be further discussed on the article
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these attitudes were immoral, while they might just as well be moral. I grant that the article might lend itself for pov-edits from one side, but (1) that is true for many articles on wikipedia, e.g. the
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I have given arguments as to why the article is not a POV-fork: The subject/title in itself is not POV, because it lends itself to incorporation of pov's from both pro-Israeli and pro-Palestinian sources
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This is the whole problem, for me. The term "Zionists" is pejorative, and rehashing the arguments on one side of the debate made by a handful of books is not what Knowledge (XXG) is for. Per
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In history, a fair picture of events or thoughts or attitudes can only be achieved with the appropriate context and the context of the Zionists attitude was the Arab attitude and
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POVFORKs don't belong in Knowledge (XXG). Sorry, comments from the editor with the ownership problem isn't enough to sway my intention to recommend this article for deletion.
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view in the article, so as to balance it? Is there literature by/of/on Palestinian Arabs and their attitude towards the Israelis? Preferably by historians of equal stature? --
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The content of the article as it is now is hardly pov (according to Ceedjee, a moderately pro-Israeli editor who knows really a lot of the I/P conflict before 1949:
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way. Improvement is of course always possible, certainly in such a new article, and if JzG is interested I'd be happy to cooperate with him to improve the article.
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together into an essay. The fact that it is from one editor is a little worrying inasmuch as that implies a lack of consensus, particularly with the
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There really was a space-problem in the Zionism article, as TelAviv1 has repeatedly removed my additions with 'article length' as the only argument.
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prevents the current title ? Nothing. This policy doesn't deal article titles but -as you wrote- the subject is one-sided, which is never very good.
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and not simply, as I fear is happening here, by letting some editors have a superficial glance at the article and base their vote on that. The
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sides of the dispute. This has served us well in the past and has gained critical acclaim for our handling of the Israel-Palestine conflict.
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I'll have to really bite into the article to continue this discussion, but we're both keep !voters anyway. Give me some time. Cheers,
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This is a mostly well-written article that deserves inclusion. It could stand to be copy-edited, but that's another issue, so keep.
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per Phil Bridger; notable indeed, and enlightening to help understand many of the underlying issued that divide the two sides.
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Doesn't read like something that appears in an encyclopedia. It seems to be a collection of material from various sources
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from the outset. Since the creator won't allow it to be quietly redirected, here it is for the community's consideration.
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rightly points out. I'm also concerned that because of the constant "Delete - POV fork" argument that there is some
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whichever should follow (must admit I haven't read it in whole). Afterwards it deserves a thorough peer review. --
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Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a
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Segev just added the British in the picture but he puts them in the context of the Arab and Jews relationships.
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Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a
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More, when we have 3 historians who chose precise (neutral) titles to their work, we should chose the same :
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of the article before taking any decisions. I already started the discussion, and I hope JzG will join it. --
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I suspect JzG has only taken a superficial glance at the article. He refused to substantiate his allegations:
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have I seen quite so many references to quite so few sources) and is in sundry ways unacceptable, violating
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is necesarry for balance and NPOV (as it is now views from both sides are already included). Including the
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Looking at the Zionism talk, it does appear to be. Was it a staged thing? I'll assume good faith.
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be POV by nature, but it is an important topic and seems fairly well written. Needs some editing.
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In my view the article as it is now is already quite NPOV. The 'Transfer idea' section is from
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The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below.
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Why should Knowledge (XXG) adopt a different approach than these respected historians? --
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referring to 2 books used in the bibliography of the article (Flapan, Simha, 1979,
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is not applicable here. There are no conclusions that are not in the sources. As
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Particulary when 2 first are the one the most used references in the articles !
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For the remaining, I think we have the same point of view except I deplore the
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Do you mean that the context should be merged in the main article (zionism) ?
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Do you mean that the context should be merged in the main article (zionism) ?
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first discuss whether there is substance to JzG's allegations on the talk page
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we create some pov-fork's because articles will deal with the same material.
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partial, inaccurate, biased, a POV fork, cited from a handful of references
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first of all - the title is too one-sided, it should read something like
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What do you know about this subject to state that it is "balanced" ?
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One Palestine, Complete : Jews and Arabs under the British Mandate
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The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate.
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Was that a poetic vote for deletion or just pure randomness? :)
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may be reasonable, but I don't know what to rename it to...
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Is a new title that cover a wider subject not a solution ?
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that says inclusion of the opposite subject is necesarry?
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Zionist attitudes toward the Palestinian Arabs
Zionist attitudes toward the Palestinian Arabs
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Zionism

Mohammad Amin al-Husayni
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