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369: 216:, so as to notify the original contributor. Retain the part of the contribution that is acceptable, while giving an adequate edit summary: State the what is being removed and why, in order to meet your requirement for discussion in the edit summary, and invite the contributor to either refine and improve his contribution, or else re-submit it as-is, with a rebuttal in the edit summary that justifies his original assertion. 24: 60: 266:
In response to a dubious reversion in which the editor has given an insufficient reason, you may obvert, but you must answer the editor's objection in the edit summary, by stating why you hold it to be insufficient. Use the opportunity to refine your own contribution, if possible, and boldly submit
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In response to a competent reversion, in which the editor has given a sufficient reason in the edit summary, you must modify your contribution and submit a second draft. In the edit summary, respond to the editor's reason for the revert, so that adequate discussion and coordination can take place.
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If someone contributes a plausible but uncited claim, do the research! In the age of online information, you should take at least 20 seconds to do a web search before reverting. If the claim is justifiable, but you are too busy to afford the ~2 minutes necessary to justify it with a citation, then
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in continuously improving multiple drafts, with informative edit summaries which are dialectical responses to challenges or errors pointed out by deletionists who revert. A writer who persists through editorial reversions by obverting them, may use the edit summary field to meet the requirement of
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As a type of reversion, the same principles, guidelines, and warnings apply to obversion: do it only when necessary. If another competent editor has made a partial reversion, it is better to submit a second draft as a new contribution rather than as an obversion. That way, both editors will be
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discussion, instead of or prior to "talking" on the talk page. The writer should accompany their argument with multiple drafts of wikitext itself, progressively refined in response to competent editorial input. Also called
297:"Rf" refers to submitting a refined counter-proposal (if a refinement is self-explanatory, copy the wikitext itself into the edit summary, which will provide adequate justification of the refinement); 180:. Give the contributor time to justify the claim, at least a couple hours, and maybe even a couple days or weeks. Readers in the meantime will know that the claim is 204:
an imperfect but constructive contribution, consider doing nothing. Maybe someone else will do the research. In any case, the encyclopedia will survive without you.
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These outlines assume that justification is given at every Rv and Ob stage of refinement, or else either or both may be considered belligerent operations.
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process. It will also help to set an example for other editors in consensus-building, and will protect you later from charges of edit-warring.
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It contains the advice or opinions of one or more Knowledge (XXG) contributors. This page is not an encyclopedia article, nor is it one of
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in the edit summary: you must answer by explaining why you are obverting, even if the reverter has failed to do so. This demonstrates a
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BoRvOb De (Good, if done appropriately. If you are unsure whether to obvert though, it is best to go with one of the other options.)
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BoTp Rv (Good but uncommon. This is Bold-Discuss-Revert, and the vandal fighters ought to be required to do this with newbies)
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If during this process, you intend to remove substantive assertions that amount to a change in meaning, it is better to use a
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to craft good articles, while building consensus and trust through demonstration of competence. Seeks consensus to replace
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contribution that may be incomplete, poorly worded, or unreferenced, consider how you can preserve the good content and
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to the readers, while refining ourselves as scholars and learners who read what each other writes. Every
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BoRvObRvOb Rf, Tp, or De (All acceptable ways of drafting and advancing discussion, but...)
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as a recommendation, and proposes a preventive strategy favoring Refinement and enables
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second: someone who is willing to teaching what he or she knows.
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should be reader-student first: someone who enjoys learning, and
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process is the ideal collaborative writing cycle, which seeks
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Clarifies a method of collaborative drafting that helps
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BoRv Tp (Not bad, but not good. This is how we often
309:"Tp" refers to discussion happening on the talk page. 404:, other options for good faith dispute resolution 290:In the below descriptions of editing processes, 333:, and sometimes get paralysed in discussion.) 8: 239:laziness, which is sufficient grounds for 355:Beyond this is edit war, which is not ok. 190:, and if you ask, maybe one of them will 41:Knowledge (XXG)'s policies or guidelines 259:working together in a productive way. 200:. If you are unable or unwilling to 7: 247:: Don't revert with no explanation. 87:, in order to overcome unjustified 45:thoroughly vetted by the community 14: 360:Editorial opinions and commentary 349:BoRvObRf Tp (Advanced discussion) 331:bite the newcomers (please don't) 367: 58: 22: 16:Essay on editing Knowledge (XXG) 160:template. Or ask the question 134:How to refine: Do the research 103:WP:Consensus § Through editing 1: 225:WP:Revert only when necessary 220:Explain why you are reverting 110:, because the emphasis is on 303:"Ob" refers to an obversion; 300:"Rv" refers to a reversion; 294:"Bo" refers to a bold edit; 434: 286:Possible editing processes 270:Either way, you must give 233:wp:status quo stonewalling 336:BoRvTp De (Good. This is 320:Bo Tp (Good but uncommon) 118:a continuously improving 66:This page in a nutshell: 418:Knowledge (XXG) essays 278:effort to engage in a 208:Dialectical refinement 317:Bo De (Presumed good) 43:, as it has not been 346:BoRvObRf De (Better) 326:BoRfRf... De (best) 108:Bold-Refine-Deliver 379:. You can help by 388: 387: 214:Partial reversion 138:In response to a 128:researcher-writer 95: 94: 53: 52: 425: 371: 364: 267:a second draft. 199: 193: 189: 183: 179: 173: 169: 163: 159: 153: 144:WP:FIXTHEPROBLEM 62: 61: 55: 26: 25: 19: 433: 432: 428: 427: 426: 424: 423: 422: 408: 407: 393: 384: 377:needs expansion 362: 288: 256: 222: 210: 197: 191: 187: 181: 177: 171: 167: 161: 157: 155:citation needed 151: 136: 120:WP:ENCYCLOPEDIA 59: 49: 48: 23: 17: 12: 11: 5: 431: 429: 421: 420: 410: 409: 406: 405: 399: 397:Editing policy 392: 389: 386: 385: 374: 372: 361: 358: 357: 356: 353: 350: 347: 344: 341: 334: 327: 324: 321: 318: 311: 310: 307: 304: 301: 298: 295: 287: 284: 255: 249: 221: 218: 209: 206: 135: 132: 93: 92: 63: 51: 50: 38: 37: 29: 27: 15: 13: 10: 9: 6: 4: 3: 2: 430: 419: 416: 415: 413: 403: 400: 398: 395: 394: 390: 382: 378: 375:This section 373: 370: 366: 365: 359: 354: 351: 348: 345: 342: 339: 335: 332: 328: 325: 322: 319: 316: 315: 314: 308: 305: 302: 299: 296: 293: 292: 291: 285: 283: 281: 277: 273: 272:justification 268: 264: 260: 254: 250: 248: 246: 242: 238: 234: 230: 226: 219: 217: 215: 207: 205: 203: 196: 186: 176: 166: 156: 150:simply add a 147: 145: 141: 133: 131: 129: 125: 121: 117: 113: 109: 104: 100: 90: 89:wp:reversions 86: 83: 79: 75: 71: 67: 64: 57: 56: 46: 42: 36: 34: 28: 21: 20: 381:adding to it 376: 312: 289: 269: 265: 261: 257: 223: 211: 201: 148: 137: 127: 123: 115: 107: 98: 96: 85:wp:obversion 73: 70:contributors 69: 65: 30: 237:tendentious 99:Bold-Refine 31:This is an 276:good-faith 116:Delivering 112:final goal 280:dialectic 241:obversion 412:Category 391:See also 245:WP:DRWNE 251:How to 195:clarify 185:dubious 140:WP:Bold 82:wp:Bold 78:WP:BRDR 74:writers 402:WP:BRB 338:WP:BRD 253:obvert 229:WP:BRD 202:refine 175:where? 124:editor 170:, or 33:essay 165:who? 97:The 72:and 114:of 414:: 198:}} 192:{{ 188:}} 182:{{ 178:}} 172:{{ 168:}} 162:{{ 158:}} 152:{{ 383:. 91:. 35:.

Index

essay
Knowledge (XXG)'s policies or guidelines
thoroughly vetted by the community
WP:BRDR
wp:Bold
wp:obversion
wp:reversions
WP:Consensus § Through editing
final goal
WP:ENCYCLOPEDIA
WP:Bold
WP:FIXTHEPROBLEM
citation needed
who?
where?
dubious
clarify
Partial reversion
WP:Revert only when necessary
WP:BRD
wp:status quo stonewalling
tendentious
obversion
WP:DRWNE
obvert
justification
good-faith
dialectic
bite the newcomers (please don't)
WP:BRD

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