463:- I declare an interest as the originator of this category. I cannot conceive how this could be interpreted as in bad faith; few people regard chess players as undesirables like criminals or even part of some international conspiracy, as some regard bankers. As has been said many times, these are ethnic lists, not religious ones (though quite a few chess players have been fairly orthodox Jews). It is quite a startling statistic that such a high proportion of great chess players (including I think a majority of world champions) are or were Jews, and this category is useful in illustrating this.
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1198:Antoniosfca
661:but not of
586:per Quale.
548:Total Chess
524:Reuben Fine
466:RachelBrown
55:November 16
43:November 17
38:November 15
1824:Rick Block
1767:Rick Block
1569:dubitative
1452:Rick Block
1450:as is. --
1325:Rick Block
1127:Descendall
1087:rename to
998:Rename all
986:Rename all
639:T. Anthony
534:(1913) by
484:Poetlister
452:Descendall
435:Rick Block
1625:Trovatore
1580:. On the
1571:: on the
1501:Trovatore
1375:Mayumashu
1363:Valiantis
1260:Kralizec!
1226:Kralizec!
1167:Kralizec!
976:Mayumashu
842:Mayumashu
677:Comment:
618:Londoneye
588:Sjakkalle
1843:Vizcarra
1800:Honbicot
1718:Vizcarra
1586:Geometry
1542:Blackcap
1399:Vizcarra
1387:Carina22
1345:Perfecto
1094:Kbdank71
1038:Honbicot
1026:Kbdank71
1002:Carina22
779:Vizcarra
605:Honbicot
592:(Check!)
177:Kbdank71
86:Kbdank71
20: |
1839:Delete'
1681:hike395
1604:hike395
1530:Dominus
1481:notions
1468:hike395
1010:COMMENT
651:Comment
550:. The
386:Bhoeble
215:COMMENT
1763:Rename
1714:Oppose
1655:Oppose
1633:Oppose
1582:oppose
1561:(talk)
1554:Oppose
1538:Oppose
1526:Oppose
1491:, and
1477:Oppose
1395:Delete
1383:Delete
1371:Delete
1359:Delete
1321:Delete
1270:BD2412
1241:BD2412
1209:BD2412
1177:Rename
1148:BD2412
1116:(talk)
1103:jengod
833:Martin
829:Rename
771:Jewish
747:Rename
732:Hiding
715:WP:AFD
681:is in
667:Hiding
572:Delete
382:Delete
370:Delete
358:Delete
338:Delete
306:adiant
299:should
270:adiant
238:adiant
227:Delete
190:Vsmith
173:delete
124:Delete
108:Rename
82:delete
1822:. --
1808:Merge
1787:Bobet
1765:. --
1663:linas
1602:? --
1573:agree
1509:Agree
1323:. --
963:CalJW
954:CalJW
564:Quale
433:. --
346:Water
312:|<
311:: -->
276:|<
275:: -->
244:|<
243:: -->
99:Snout
46:: -->
16:<
1829:talk
1772:talk
1699:and
1546:talk
1517:talk
1457:talk
1448:Keep
1330:talk
1022:Note
775:Jews
767:Keep
755:keep
735:talk
691:FIDE
670:talk
631:Keep
613:Keep
601:Keep
584:Keep
558:and
502:and
492:Keep
476:Keep
461:Keep
440:talk
431:Keep
199:KEEP
35:<
1818:at
1691:NB
1590:pom
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348:. —
22:Log
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