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amateurs who play on Saturdays and it is an undisputed fact, even among RL people themselves, that most of these amateur players go to watch pro or semi-pro games on Friday night or Sunday afternoon so there is a huge overlap between their two figures of 62,463 and 51,420. There is another factor here, which is that many RL fans go to two matches each weekend. Top clubs like Leeds and Wigan often play on Friday night and many of their fans go to watch another game on the Sunday afternoon as well. Which means the number of active adherents is somewhat less than 100,000 individuals. The Times survey mentioned earlier reckoned about 100,000 including casual fans who go to a couple of matches a year plus tagging on to cup final trips. Whichever way you look at it, this a very minor activity indeed with a minimal spread in England alone, let alone globally.

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order because rugby union is unquestionably a major global sport and RL is anything but: it seems to me that the bad faith emanates from the RL apologists who are attempting to give this sport an importance that in reality it does not have at all. The original suggestion that it deserves an article in the rugby football category is a realistic approach and should be adopted. --

465:. The sport is a minor variation of rugby with an insignificant global spread. Even in the UK, it has been reliably estimated to have less than 100,000 supporters. To say it is a major sport alongside cricket, soccer or rugby union is nonsense. It is no more significant than hundreds of other minority interest activities 1283:. I know Knowledge (XXG) started out in the office of a porn company, but I don't think that the policy should be taken to mean "Knowledge (XXG) has no sense of decency and never shows the slightest restraint." Much of the material in this category would be unworthy of inclusion even if there were no children in the world. 639:

I've also spoken to an American I know who hails from New England, the area of the USA where RL would probably be played if it is. He says he knows of RU being played there but not a 13 a side game, though he can't be 100% certain. Okay, so that's not quite conclusive. He also said he is not aware

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that RL is played in the West Indies, definitely not in Jamaica, though he admits it might have been exhibited there but there are no competitions and no interest whatsoever. He says RU is played but on a very minor scale. He says that it is true that many West Indians in England have played RL but

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Rugby league is a minor regional sport that deserves one article to explain its rules, history and main competitions. However, it is evident that its apologists intend to create a massive spread of articles about it on the lines of major sports with which it cannot possibly compete. This is a waste

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The movie "Terms of Endearment" is most certainly not a form of adult entertainment. The term "adult entertainment" is the official name of the industry, of which (among other things) go-go bars, pornography, and Burlesque are sub-categories. The name "Adult Entertainment" is a noun, I will change

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played in Argentina. Indeed, he said the playball procedure is completely illogical because it prevents players from contesting the ball, which is one of the basic tenets of football. I remember this because he is the first person who ever made that point to me and I hadn't thought of it like that

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that it has managed to acquire for itself a disproportionate media presence. To allow such a wide category spread for this activity sets a precedent for all minority interests and the result will be that WP is swamped with inconsequential material. To say that the nomination is bad faith is out of

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and very much so. According to WP policy re the notability of subjects and the desire to keep things in perspective, I stand by my view that RL should have one article on WP to describe the rules and background and that this should be in a rugby football category, most of which should be dedicated

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will be there...whoops!" I know that everyone knows what it means, but I'd have a vague preference to rename this to something that honestly describes its true nature, which everyone understands to be sexual in nature (for descriptive, not censorship purposes). "Erotic entertainment", perhaps?

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RL attendances. Okay, so they have 62,463 players and they claim 51,420 weekly spectators. The spectator figure is an old total because the attendances have fallen quite badly this year and the current average is a little over 40,000 per weekend. The vast majority of the 62,463 players are

162:. I don't think we should change naming conventions on CFD, so to the extent we vote here it makes sense to vote in accordance with the existing conventions. But if you are going to raise the issue over there, perhaps we should table this rename to give that conversation some time to occur? 699:

article. The abuse of statistics above is silly - one could just as easily make a case that football is a minor sport in the UK by comparing the number of people who pay to see the game live with the total population. There are thousands of categories less signficant than this one.

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The Afghan cricket scene is not at all surprising when you remember that the country was occupied by Great Britain for long periods in the 19th Century and that British influence prevailed until well into the 20th Century. Not forgetting its border with cricket-loving Pakistan, of

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Fixing the capitalization is good and I'd support it. This may be more than you wanted to discuss, and I'm happy to drop the issue, but: I have this prejudice against the term "adult entertainment" as both non-descriptive and euphemistic. "Oh, adult entertainment? Maybe

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This is ridiculous. It is sad that there are still some people who haven't got over this antagonism. This is not the place to argue for the deletion of articles, and all or nearly all of the rugby league articles would survive nomination on

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A few years ago, I worked with an Argentinian IT contractor who was an RU player and big fan of the Pumas. I distinctly remember talking to him about RL as the alternative rugby code and he had never even heard of it. He stated that it is

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and claims to be the "national sport of Yorkshire and Lancashire", if you please. There are 10 million people in Yorkshire and Lancashire and less than 1% follows RL. These grandiose claims are, in Knowledge (XXG) terms,

486:. Rugby league is also defined as one of the major four team *sports on the BBC Sport website. From an Australian point of view, you could argue that it's union which is the minor sport only played in one region. 1586:. I would guess that most of the categories named "Historic" simply mean "Historical" (not contemporary), and can be individually nominated for renaming as such. -- Reinyday, 03:17, 12 September 2005 (UTC) 483:, there's 62,463 registered players, and 51,420 people go to stadiums each week to watch actual matches. That's about 100,000 who are dedicated to the sport. In Australia, 144,000 watch matches every week 237:, most seem to be in the format "Foo films" and not "Films directed by Foo", but don't know which one is correct. It was voted to "rename all" but the vote is not closed? Anyway, I revised my suggestion. - 1252:

Pornography is a subset of the "Adult Entertainment" industry, which consists of many parts, including non-'Erotica' categories. I will add these as we develop this category further. Thank you.

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But this CFR is only about renaming one category to conform to the use of the name in all other articles. If at a later time we decide to change all references to Wong Kar Wai, so be it.

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for deletion because during a reorganisation of this category it has become empty. I think I should have asked for a merge instead, but recategorised about 10 articles to

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per nom. My personal preference would be to write Chinese names in pinyin or pinyin without tone marks, all else being equaly (e.g. Li Li Yong instead of

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As for the other countries, I do not know but I suspect it is the same tale and that an odd exhibition game has been held at some Sunday fete or whatever.

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in those countries and has only ever taken place there as a minor "foreign culture" exhibition piece. This is absurd. You might as well allow

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per Nandesuka. "Adult" is a not at all satisfying euphemism, and wikipedia is not censored for the protection of minors. Here, we can say

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that is a bit different to the sport being played in their former homelands. You have to be very careful reading the claims of RL people.

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is more than sufficient and any more than that should be deleted. Indeed, it could be argued that the section on rugby league in the

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The naming conventions already have "Tung Chee Hwa" as an example. "Wong Kar Wai" is not a transliteration based on Wade Giles. —

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that policy is weird, it doesn't conform to HK standard, or the way that overseas North American Chinese write their name.

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to the parent sport of rugby union which does have a nationwide presence in the UK and does exist on a global scale. --

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