Knowledge (XXG):Categories for discussion/Log/2008 March 1

958:. The discussion has yielded at least five unique proposals (rename "centres" to "centers", keep as is, rename to "Ice hockey centers from the United States", upmerge, double-upmerge), each of which has some basis in category guidelines for consistency, spelling differences, and/or overcategorisation. Additional discussion is warranted to determine whether the category should exist at all or should be upmerged; if there is no consensus to upmerge, then discussion could focus on the issue of naming. However, a renomination would probably result in a more focused discussion than a relisting. 833:

behind IPs and various accounts all the time so that their past is harder to track. Just because my spell check is set to CA-ENG does not mean I have an aversion to US-ENG, I am sure you could find tonnes of articles where I let my spell check make a change that I didn't scrutinize close enough to stop it from changing. If you feel the need to link them all you are welcome to, however, it does only make you look more foolish for wasting so much time on a trivial subject. -

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Parent cat uses the non-American variant of the category, and cats should be consistent. Since the game itself is most closely associated with Canada having been invented there and since the category itself is not referring to a singular person but the position itself it should remain consistent with

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I would not oppose that move, but, that discussion would be much larger than just athletes. My opinion is that players all would belong to a root category of one or more nationalities (American people; Finnish people; etc), so, naming the categories for the individual similarly would not constitute

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You are free to do as you wish. But the reasoning behind this arguement is still sound, despite what I may or may have not argued in the past. Again, I do not have an aversion to the spelling in the least, I do have an aversion to people arguing just for the sake of arguing and doing so while hiding

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It is rare enough that those players, could be in both categories without causing over categorization. Forwards switching between forward positions is another story and could probably just be merged into a straight out forward category. Though that would probably get over populated eventually which

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I find it much harder to make an argument when people call me a sockpuppet and suggest I'm hiding behind IPs. Logging in would not make me immune to that. I will admit it is easy to link to someone's past arguments to make them look foolish. I could easily point out that your isolated "accident" on

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Eventually you will claim that for consistency's sake all American player pages should use the defence/centre spellings. Along with the ridiculous "it's Canada's game" bullshit, it's essentially the same exact argument you've made countless times before. And though you've said all American players

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No I don't think all the American players should change the spelling. That link you provided is most likely an accident when I disambiguated the link. I unintenionally changed the actual page version too. Categories however, should all have the same spelling as their parent categories to avoid

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And how many months ago is that arguement? Opinions change. I no longer feel categories are part of the article. It must be nice to be able to link to peoples arguements when they aren't hiding behind IPs and Sockpuppet accounts eh? Make debates so much easier to have.

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per Otto4711 (I don't think I've said that before). Not that "breaking down by position" is overcategorization, per se, but "intersecting by position and nationality" clearly is. I can only assume that's what you meant to say. Recategorize all affected biographies to

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and the category name should match. "Gravity" redirects to the Gravitation article and having the main article and category names not match will only contribute to reader confusion. The correct category hierarchy would be: "Gravitation", which includes

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a problem. Teams, on the other hand, aren't American, Swedish, etc, and, the parent category that they most likely fall under is some form of "sport in country". To rename players, you would have to rename all nationality-based categories.

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February 5th with the Modano article extended to a few other articles. The problem with claiming it was an accident is that you seem to have such an aversion to the American variation that you never seem to use it when it is required. --

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I've always thought the rationale for replacing the trusty old Category:American/Canadian ice hockey players with position based categories was faulty. Numerous players have played several different positions throughout their careers.

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We have categories for Dutch, English and Polish Popes, of which there were precisely one of each. We also have categories for Portuguese and some other nationality Popes of which there are only two. Most of the subcategories of

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confusion. An upmerge would cause other issues to occur. Most people have no issue with the spelling. You on the other hand seem to argue it constantly while hiding behind multiple IP address and accounts. -

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As far as I know we don't categorize buildings in general as "recycled" since most buildings are used for many things during their existance. We don't even have categories for

643:. Rename the Canadian-English variant "defencemen" over the redirect to the American-English variant "defensemen," since the category is about Americans. 21: 989:. Rename the Canadian-English variant "centres" over the redirect to the American-English variant "centers," since the category is about Americans. 632: 628: 17: 847:

Blame it on the spell checker, brilliant. I think you're full of shit. Point out one instance where you used US-ENG in a player's article. --

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are very small and have little prospect of being anything else, with the typical papal reign being of the order of decades.

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There are numerous examples of players playing a forward position and defense sometime throughout their playing careers.

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per wikipedia all spelling must be the same on a page....Terry is in a cat with the defenceman spelling.

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should use the American variations, according to you that doesn't apply to a certain Michigan native.

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intersection of occupation and nationality is the basis of all categorization of people on WP.

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side, they seem at least potentially useful from the English, Dutch, etc. side. See, e.g.,

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Knowledge (XXG):Categories for discussion/Log/2007 March 29#Basketball players by position

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why? defence, forward and goalie are specializations, and one cannot play the other well.

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It wasn't until I reached the middle of the second comment that I discovered it was about

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centre forwards? or centremen? (or the American variant, center forwardmen or centermen)

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An upmerge would be preferable since there were no language variation disputes with

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