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759:. Given the common meaning of "landmark," any subjectivity involved in determining whether a place/fixed location/monument etc. is "significant" in some way completely overlaps with the determination of whether it is notable—a "landmark" then is just a specific place/site/location for which Knowledge (XXG) has an article. In practice then, the landmark category structure simply serves an article sorting function within country, state, county, or city categories: to segregate out places/sites/locations within, from the articles about people, companies, government agencies, history, etc. I don't believe that anyone will confuse this structure as meaning that all of the entries have been officially designated in some way as landmarks, which is the only possible harm this structure could cause; there's no other way it could be inaccurate unless articles that aren't really about places are included. I also think it's incorrect to say (as the category descriptions currently do) that "landmark" is American equivalent of the UK "visitor attractions"; that would instead be 893:
statues are with statues, monuments, cemeteries, whatever, all categorized together with specificity rather than as the vague and incredibly overly broad "landmarks". Given the, to be blunt, mania that editors have for breaking down categories by geographical regions, it is doubtful that anything that might be included in a "landmarks" category would not be included in a more specific geographical category. If a city only has one outdoor sculpture or notable church or whatever, then simply categorize it at the next level up (Sculptures in Illinois instead of Sculptures in Peoria). Someone looking for sculptures in Peoria, upon not finding
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the category itself and the description that is there is tagged as needing a citation) is "anything that is easily recognizable, such as a monument, building, or other structure" or possibly "places that might be of interest to tourists due to notable physical features or historical significance." What is "easily recognizable" to one person may be unrecognizable to the next and such a broad range of things "might" be of interest to tourists that as inclusion criteria it's worthless. The previous CFD does not show that "complete subjectivity is acceptable" and your claims that it does are nothing more than your attempting to make a
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balance is for an article to be defined by its location with a category that is more general as to type of feature ("landmark"), and to be defined by the type of feature with a category that covers a larger geographic region. And for those localities that do have more specific subcategories, this can function as a parent within that locality's category to group them. As I've said before, if you have a better name than "landmark," I'm open to suggestions. I think we agree though that "visitor attractions" is not it.
660:. The definition offred here provides rather clear inclusion criteria. Perhaps they can be expanded, but they are clearly adequate to describe what is included. Readers looking for such landmarks are well-served by the category structure, and deleting this parent category accomplishes nothing other than to leave the national category structures unconnected. 855:. It would not also need to be in a landmarks category and my feeling is that anyone who is using the category system to find a sculpture article is going to start with the sculpture category, not a landmarks category. This is not necessary as a parent category, as its contemplated contents are already appropriately parented. 1011:: I think Postdlf has presented a very sound and persuasive analysis & argument on behalf of some sort of grouping-category for significant sites/features by location. There is, however, a major issue that needs to be addressed: as has been pointed out, the current name is problematic in a number of respects. 398:. I looked at the members, and the fact that they are trios is not defining. They were mainly know as musical groups and not as trios for the most part. While there maybe a few exceptions, that would mean another category that needs policing. Maybe we need a list of musical families to include all of these? 678:
The difference of course is that there is verifiable and significant LGBT content in each episode in the category and no reasonable person can deny it. A reasonable person could deny that an object meets the inclusion criteria set forth in this category, which I assume (since it is not spelled out in
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I agree that it would be more consistent with the listings for most other genres; besides which, some LGBT hip hop artists may not identify with the term "homo hop." The term is pretty widely used, though - for instance, try search on it at books.google.com. (Sometimes it is rendered as homo-hop.) I
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In Knowledge (XXG), "subjectivity" and "objectivity" are rather fluid terms, that seem to vary depending on what article is up for discussion, especially at CfD. There are landmarks in countries around the world. If the demand is to provide a universally-agreed upon definition, we have none, neither
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This deletion listing is stillborn, considering that none of the subcategories have been tagged; you can't delete an entire category structure without giving proper notice of everything that it will effect. Notwithstanding that this CFD then can't accomplish anything but to place all its dozens of
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The landmarks category is to link it to where it is located, not to keep it from being uncategorized. Most localities are not going to have enough of any specific type of landmark to merit specific subcategories for all of them, nor is it desirable to subdivide categories in that way. So a good
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That is the entire problem with this category structure. What's "clearly" a landmark to one editor is just as clearly not a landmark to another, so whose judgment do we accept and how is it not OR either way? I find it difficult to believe that there is absolutely no body within any country other
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Not redundant, but a good parent to group those specific subcategories together. Further, this provides a home at the level of subdivisions for which there are insufficient articles to merit type-based subcategories. What else do you do with an article for the only public sculpture in a city?
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The existing category structures for anything that might be termed a "landmark" are already categorized by where the structures are located. Geographical features are categorized with other like geographical features, buildings and structures are categorized with other buildings and structures,
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If the sole function of this category structure is sorting, then it is redundant to the many existing category structures that we already have for buildings, natural features, monuments and so on. If we accept that "significance" equals "notability" then literally every article we have on every
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There is certainly an issue with the definition of landmark, although I suspect that this status could be fairly easily sourced to the relatively small number of items in the categories, but I would not be happy to go to the position we did with historic houses, where none outside the US can be
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keep, mainly for reasons of standardisation across categories, though perhaps a deletion/renaming nomination could be had for all of these landmark categories on subjectivity grounds or for the British ones alone if it's thought that the phrasing here is out of whack with UK
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serve to group the significant sites and features of Illinois by location? Isn't it likely that someone interested in using the category system to find things located in Illinois, assuming they don't already know even a single thing that's in the state, is going to start at
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should go into a "Prisons in Illinois" category and so on. The various subcats all appear to have at least one and in most cases multiple parents other than this one placing them in Illinois that are more specific than the vague "landmarks".
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I agree that whether something is or is not a landmark involves POV issues, but some things clearly are landmarks. I therefore see this as a harmless category. In any event (if not kept), it should not be deleted but merged, but to what?
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should be sub categorized. With that we would have better definitions and would be able to start cleaning up the various categories. I suspect that most will be #2 masquerading as #5. But I say this not doing any research.
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building, natural feature, monument etc. is an article about a "landmark". This is not only inaccurate but if implemented to any degree would swell these categories beyond any hope of utility.
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in it so there's no reason why the others historical sites categories can't go there as well. The sculpture and zoo category would fit nicely with the other cultural topics covered in
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But if someone wants to see what articles we have on notable features in Peoria? You're also overlooking the problem of what to do with all the current subcategory contents of
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of the category should be. For instance, would "buildings and structures" be an automatic sub-category -- or do only certain buildings and structures belong? etc. etc.
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than the US that officially designates things to be landmarks that allows us to set an inclusion standard that's a little tighter than "a thing that people recognize."
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would be landmarks (#6). Clearly #1 would not be encyclopedic in and of itself. So maybe the approach to take is to use the above items to start a discussion on how
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includes multiple entries, and could be a source for future articles, but isn't yet. If there are more articles in the future, the category can be reconsidered.
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A subcategory could be created for the artists, while keeping the general genre category in place as a parent container for that, the head article on the genre,
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Unpopulated; articles in this category have been merged due to insufficient content and lack of notability to one article, which is now in the parent category.
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As things currently stand, I'm not entirely certain what sorts of sites & features would/should be included, so we will need to decide what the
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article may be a stub, but the reliable sources provided establish the use of the term. As such, the category should match the parent article.
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consistent with the category schemes for other musical genres than simply replacing this with an LGBT rappers category would.
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has been deleted as being too narrow in focus, I would think that having siblings AND being a trio would be even narrower.
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think that Otto's question about categorizing items which are not individual artists is well-taken - see also
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What's needed is a name that is readily understood and lends itself to easily applied inclusion criteria.
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issue here. Repeated arbitrary nominations of categories to be deleted is the worst kind of disruption.
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A building with unique design elements or of a notable design or representative of a type of design
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consensus is not to break down hip hop albums by year so this container category is unnecessary.
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a landmark? That would surely depend on size and/or perceptions of its significance.
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For now, the category has two entries, which doesn't make a category very useful.
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was deleted back in July as 'patent nonsense', this is a real genre: see e.g. the
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which of these would cover that? I'd say not one. Are visitor attractions (
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Insert "-related" in the title. That solves all problems. There is a clear
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as pointless, but are not empty categories deleted as a matter of course?
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as pointless, but are not empty categories deleted as a matter of course?
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as pointless, as the amin article will provide an adequate list.
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categorised because there are no official lists called this.
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per nom - no need for this category with so few articles.
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The sculpture would be in an appropriate subcategory of
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Index

Knowledge (XXG):Categories for discussion
Log
November 28
November 30
deletion review
Kbdank71
16:29, 8 December 2008 (UTC)
Category:Hip hop albums by year
edit
talk
history
links
watch
logs
this CFD
Otto4711
talk
20:19, 29 November 2008 (UTC)
Ten Pound Hammer
15:55, 30 November 2008 (UTC)
Wolfer68
talk
18:57, 30 November 2008 (UTC)
deletion review
deletion review
Stwalkerster
21:51, 11 December 2008 (UTC)
Category:Sibling musical trios
edit
talk

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