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1891:. Obsolete is so wrong. Floppy disk drives are obsolete? Maybe not in heavy use, but they are in use. I'd consider a rename, but not sure what it would be. Likewise, I sure that all of the gammers using HD DVDs would be surprised to learn that they are obsolete. Clearly obsolete here is totally POV and ambiguous, that's why a rename could be an option. BTW, my zip drive still works well. 1806:. After thinking it through, I think this category should be deleted. A lot of technology-related things have experienced, and will continue to experience, revival. What's in the status of "obsolete" is always changing, I mean, the status of certain products. It's just like putting a category of "Obsolete video game systems" into the 1247:
paucity of such discussions was very simply the absence of editors from most non-English-speaking parts of the world. When the US categories finally came up, a solid phalanx of (presumably US) editors (including myself) opposed renaming for the reason I've explained. I'm sure you're already aware that these are indeed the
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an adjective ("Polish") followed by a noun ("Americans"). But we cannot use that form for many of the existing categories (such as, "Puerto Rican", "Dominican Republic", "Saint Vincent and the Grenadines"). Therefore, the Knowledge (XXG)-wide consensus has been to change to a new form: "... people of ... descent".
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here in the US, and there's no confusion about what they mean -- in contrast to what is the case for most other countries, where the ordering of the two terms is not standardized, leading to ambiguity & confusion. Let's not forget that the vast majority of countries do not, in fact, use American
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While the hyphenated versus unhyphenated forms are not inherently confusing to the highly educated, many editors have never-the-less been confused! Cgingold is correct that the proper form would be hyphenated as an adjective ("Polish-Americans") before another noun ("Actors"), and not hyphenated as
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To begin with, it seems to me that anybody who really cares about this would be far more likely to look for a list of such parodies in the main article for Family Guy. I really don't see a good rationale for a category, since -- believe it or not -- most of the world could care less whether a given
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my Russian isn't good enough to know what a zalchenkov is, but it's Russian equivalent category's parent category is "Metro Stations by type" roughly translated, so it probably has something to do with a measurement of a metro station (depth seems likely) in any event, delete as arbitrary inclusion
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I think we changed quite a few without any apparent inquiries into what was the local usage. My understanding was that they were being standardized regardless of local usage, and that this was being done mainly because the Fooian-Gooian format is inherently confusing. Why is it less confusing here
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You're quite right that there were very few if any apparent inquiries into local usage. You may recall that I insisted at one point that the large batches that were being nominated for renaming be grouped in a coherent way, precisely so such issues could be raised. I suspect the reason for the
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per clear concensus on retaining the separate naming convention for American ethnic categories. This one is an abberration that got renamed from it's original name in a very anomalous CFD. (I would have sworn the mistake had already been rectified.)
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Thank you, Cgingold, for what may be construed as an apology for egregiously conflating "exception" with "exceptionalism" — although it takes a very strange form of self-deprecation, presumably intended to be humorous. Please strive for
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recorded were not written by him, and can thus be seen as adaptations. This would mean that it would contain almost all folk songs by Lead Belly, if not all of them. Furthermore, it is sometimes dificult to determine when a song exactly
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program that features song parodies. I'm sure many songs have been the subject of multiple parodies, so they would end up cluttered with multiple categories, all pertaining to what is, after all, a pretty trivial characteristic.
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a folk song, and it may also be difficult to confirm whether a song is written by Lead Belly or an adaptation by Lead Belly. In any case, this cat currently holds only one article, so deleting it wouldn't be a disaster. Cheers,
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song has been parodied on Family Guy. Beyond that is the issue I pointed out in my initial comment: if we have a category for Family Guy parodies, then by the same logic there should be categories for every
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English terminology when referring to the ethnic or national origin of their citizens. So standardizing was probably helpful in those cases, but isn't needed for the United States.
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per nom. Oddly enough, neither of these categories existed until 2 days ago. And what's really curious is that they were both created at the same time by the same editor.
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has made it apparent that the form is interfering with the function. Earlier in the history of Knowledge (XXG), we spent over 6 months hammering out a clear policy for
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I know I'll get in trouble for saying this, but lately I think there's been more of a desire expressed at CfD for "Australian exceptionalism" than the American type.
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Thanks Richhoncho. I support the renaming and the preservation of that sub-category. As I stated in the "Folk songs adapted by Leadbelly" entry above, Lead Belly
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what it means is train stations that are more than 100 meters underground, but as you say, even if we figure it out it still seems a rather arbitrary category.
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One last thing: the use of thess terms is so standard in the US that there's a commonly used expression, "hyphenated Americans", which even has it's very own
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You may want to read your own nomination, which states that "We generally don't categorize songs by their status of being 'covered' or parodied by others."
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still fly, but the technology was reduced to a tiny niche in mid-1930s. They don't compete with widebodies and they won't. Now, play that 8-track again :).
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In addition to the rename-request I made below, I nominate this sub-category for deletion. It is meant for "adapted" songs, but about 90% of all songs
1967:. "Obsolete" seems to subjective. We all know that 8-tracks are obsolete; my 6-gig hard drive is also obsolete, but hard drives themselves are not. — 111: 2627:- songs are not defined by having been parodied on a cartoon show. Don't care whether it's listed and it shouldn't be a pre-requisite to deletion. 570:
the strong overlap with the existing parent means that this category is not now (and unlikely to be in the future) an effective aid to navigation.
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Obviously, W.A. Simpson doesn't know that it's very poor form to make ridiculous assumptions about what other editors know or don't know.
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Where did anyone say that these are covers? and why does the distinction make a difference? I mentioned that we don't categorize covers
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songs are covers. The sentence you quote is a general statement that we don't categorize songs by their status of being "covers"
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Every song recorded is an "adaption" in some respects. There's enough badly named cats in music without starting any new ones! --
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If anyone wants to create a list, either in the family guy article or on its own, let me know and I'll get you the articles.
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wrote some songs himself. Because most of his songs are covers, a category listing those will almost completely overlap
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is considered laudatory by neoconservative Americans, and derogatory by others. Also, it was recently a question to
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it might well be something to do with being at least 100 metres below the surface, which is an arbitrary inclusion.
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per nom. Oops! I created Songs written by Leadbelly and have nominated for renaming (Not sure how to add here!). --
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per nom, and as a close equivalent of "performer by performance" categorization, which is generally avoided.
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Oh please. Exceptions are made whenever editors feel they are warranted -- and not just for US categories.
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That way lies chaos and edit gang wars. We have policy and guidelines to establish consistency and comity.
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obsolete is in the eye of the beholder - one of my neighbors' dads still has his Apple II and uses it.
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per above. I do a lot of this categorisation; I really wouldn't bother if they weren't within policy.
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I shall use it nonetheless. This is fancruft, on top of the excellent points made by the nominator.
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article. Who knows? Maybe, in a future decade, the NES hardware and software forms may be revived!
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Will folks enforce these in the future without exception? Otherwise, the bickering will continue.
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naming convention, which does not imply that the units were named 'X (or Y) Soviet Regiment.
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that have long been used in the United States, which is not necessarily the case elsewhere.
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per the wise words of CGingold below, who seems to have nailed this matter together with
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The argument that these songs are "covers" is not actually accurate. These songs are
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if there are any more to be added. A list could add info on the parody version. -
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and other parents to which this should be upmerged (rather than deleted). However
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for "Best Director." Proposed name is modeled along Easchiff's straightforward
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And as I pointed out, the US categories were exempted from that concensus.
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Index

Knowledge (XXG):Categories for discussion
Log
May 2
May 4
deletion review
Kbdank71
13:50, 11 May 2009 (UTC)
Category:Cyprus–Syria relations
edit
talk
history
links
watch
logs
Category:Cyprus–Syria relations
Category:Bilateral relations of Syria
Category:Bilateral relations of Cyprus
this discussion
Tavix
 Talk 
22:32, 3 May 2009 (UTC)
Goodtimber
walk
talk
04:02, 11 May 2009 (UTC)
deletion review
deletion review
WP:SNOW
Aervanath
talk

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