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1773:. I doubt this will lead to a rash of categories regarding case locations for attorneys-- Guantanamo Bay is unique because it's so high-profile, yet no one is going there except military or federal employees and these attorneys, (no American can even legally travel to Cuba!) they are taking on cases which often position them directly against the federal government, they are often law professors or academics who are notable in their own right for many accomplishments yet are volunteering their time to represent these prisoners, and they are pretty much the only 'outsiders' who can say what the prisoners are like or what Guantanamo Bay is like. These are not your run-of-the-mill legal cases. It's interesting to find the attorneys involved in the cases for all these reasons, and this category is extremely useful in that respect. There are many cases which may meet one or two of the above, but I can't think of a series of defendants and cases occurring right now which are marked by all the above criteria.-- 564:. We should be especially wary about moves that may be perceived as censoring of our critics. However, we as a community seem to harbor little such restraint (see the 14 nominations for deletions of the article about Daniel Brandt). Knowledge (XXG) is an institution that is eminently criticizable on the grounds of our working focus in a world of information wars. If someone has criticized Knowledge (XXG) to the extent that is has been found worthy of inclusion in their Knowledge (XXG) article, there should be no problem adding this category to their article. The dilemma asserted by Otto4711 of people in this category who have made mere passing comments criticizing Knowledge (XXG), then the problem is obviously the article which should be purged of such trivial information. __ 1911:
ways the historical era worst covered here. Why one should have categories on prosecutors rather than the defense escapes me. The sensible thing would seem to be to add more subcategories, not delete one. Randomly selecting many more people in the category, I didn't find any whose Guantanamo participation seemed of "just another client among hundreds" type, they were identified as such in the lead, had news articles so identifying them, etc.; It seems to be something many RS's consider notable and defining - the way that defending someone imprisoned at an ordinary location is not, and would not even be mentioned by sources, let alone highlighted.
231:, based on the consensus/voted here. But we need to make sure this category doesn't get filled with crap. For instance, surely Knowledge (XXG) Review and Conservapedia belong if this category exists, because they are defined by their Criticism of Knowledge (XXG). On the other hand, The Times, clearly does not belong. The article didn't mention those criticisms anywhere, and it was quite shameful to see this category among the others. The Times is not notable/categorized because of their criticism of us. Please, volunteers, watch this category, and help clean it up. - 1839:
represents a significantly reported-on element in a major legal battle with international consequences. i doubt this puts us at risk of having other categories like it, unless another similar event occurs and results in media reports describing a group of lawyers based on their clientele or location of clientele. If someone wanted to try to put together a category of, say, lawyers for the nuremburg war criminals, IF at the time there was any notability (were they ostracized, were they considered heroes by some, even if reluctantly), i might support it.
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criteria for including an article in this category could be vague at times (im sure there are media commentators or publications that have both praised and criticized WP) but in these cases you could always include them in BOTH categories, if there was a WP booster category. and this is a fairly significant subject, considering what WP is now. i would be inclined to delete more trivial "critics" categories, say, "critics of canadas cat registration policies"
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like U.S. military prosecutors—so I'd say that category would not even be appropriately defining for them. They probably each took half a dozen cases, maximum. That's not a full-time, defining employment position. I can name half a dozen ICTY prosecutors off the top of my head, but zero lawyers who defended ICTY clients. Sadly, that's just the way it is in this "industry".
582:"Worthy of inclusion in their article" translates to documented by reliable sources. Simply appearing in reliable sources does not mean that criticizing Knowledge (XXG) is a defining characteristic of the person, otherwise every verified fact would be subject to categorization. We should be equally concerned about painting people as "critics". 2052:
attorneys have represented a group of clients who are individuals detained by U.S. military authorities, which would address the purported problem while keeping a defining characteristic as an aid to navigation. The reliable and verifiable sources that Knowledge (XXG) requires have no trouble defining lawyers on this basis.
1860:(an even narrower, already existing, category) is a defining characteristic. Nothing at all like "Alcatraz attorney", something which one be hard put to reliably source, as no one normally cares which particular prison an attorney's client is at, unlike these unusual situations. To take a randomly chose example 1974:
defense lawyers and the venues in which they practice is nowhere near the strength that association between prosecutors and their venues. It is unsurprising that attorneys' Gitmo participation "figure prominently" in their articles, but "figures prominently" doesn't equate to "defining characteristic".
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obviously, students play on university sports teams world-wide. The term 'college athlete' however is strictly North American usage, isn t it? And I wonder how notable playing university sport in other countries is whereas in the States, the top tier are essentially top-level professional for their
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There exists organisations and individuals who can be considered to be critics of Knowledge (XXG). In most circumstances I expect there will be little difficulty coming to the conclusion that someone is a critic so I don't foresee any real problems in deciding whether or not to add an article to this
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Because often in these situations for prosecutors that's their job, whereas for defence attorneys they are defending one client and this is just one of the clients that they serve—they are not full-time G.B. attorneys. In this situation, the G.B. prosecutors are not full-time positions—they are more
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A rather clear and defining characteristic. The "masturbatory" criticism that we are unable to determine who belongs in the category belongs at the level of individual articles, and we don't need to be jerked around here with claims that we are unable to decide that the category is defining. Results
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main article and articles categorized here generally do appear to be quite clear about the nature of their various criticisms. As for it serving "no useful purpose to the encyclopaedia" it seems to me to serve no more or less useful a purpose than any other category. My concern is that the nominator
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Prosecutors and judges of international tribunals are somewhat different than the defence attorneys at said tribunals. The prosecutors and judges are usually employed by the tribunal; generally, the defence lawyers are not. There's no category for those who defended the Japanese at the IMTFE or the
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While we may routinely make decisions on how to categorize articles, the basis for categorization comes essentially from the documented information on the article's subject, not on our understanding of how the subject of an article is or should be portrayed or described. it seems that this category
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we have other categories which include the word critics or criticism, including critics of Scientology. while i dont like LISTS which have arbitrary or nonrational criteria for entry, it seems categories can be more inclusive, and can help readers find what they are looking for. i do agree that the
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Looking through the articles in the category, the fact that these lawyers have represented Guantanamo clients seems to be their primary defining characteristic. The unfortunately characteristic choice to delete a category in its entirety could be obviated by proposing a name that shows that these
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I don't think the absence of Nuremburg and Tokyo categories is due to a bad sort of "recentism", just natural recentism - the fact that they predate the net and wikipedia, making article creation harder and less urgent, and are just a case of systematic bias - the mid twentieth century is in some
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but not every lawyer who appears before a particular circuit bench. Prosecutors (generally) appear in the same court every day per their employment, while defense attorneys can appear in federal court one day, bankruptcy court the next and family court the day after that. The association between
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Much to my astonishment, there are colleges outside of the United States where soccer is played. This category effectively serves as a parent of collegiate-level soccer programs in the United States and corresponding categories should be created for other nations where the sport is played at the
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I don't know if I lack imagination, but I find it hard to envisage someone being cited in their article for criticizing Knowledge (XXG) when it wasn't a big deal to them. If it's an op-ed writer who volunteers their opinion on all sorts of issues all over the spectrum and one incident was where
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Many of them are so clear in their criticisms that they make no mention of their subjects criticizing Knowledge (XXG) at all. Many of them mention Wiki-criticism in passing, in a single sentence or phrase. Frankly, many of those that do cover the criticism in detail do so in such an
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Not a real "category" - the nature of "criticism" is wholly ambiguous and the category as a whole serves little or no useful purpose to the encyclopaedia. Should be deleted, but at the very least should be subject to proper discussion over the merit of its continued existence
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manner that it comes off as masturbatory. There is a substantive difference between a person who makes his or her living as a professional critic and someone who criticizes someone or something in passing. This is just the sort of overcategorization by opinion that
619:"A big deal" also doesn't translate to "defining characteristic". Big deals are made out of all sorts of things, which make them notable but not necessarily defining. People raise ruckuses over lots of stuff that we don't, and shouldn't, categorize. 2010:
And as for the recentism counterargument, I suspect one could create a category for lawyers who defended Nazis at Nuremberg and other such major tribunals, that satisfies guidelines for RS and defining category characteristics.
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age-group. And note how there has been no start at all of a similar tree for any other country. I suppose an option, however, would be to overhaul the naming of the tree to have it named more formally, to, for instance,
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per nom; a kind of "recentism" pervades here in suggesting that being a lawyer for prisoners at G.B. is any more defining than being an attorney for prisoners in other historical prisons (or for Japanese accused at the
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people by opinion, what will we have next? Critics of Obama, Critics of Abortion, Critics of age of consent laws, Critics of Harry Potter movies, Critics of smoking, Critics of critics: just as valid as this junk.
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per JohnZ. In the articles I checked, the attorney's participation figured prominently. I also cannot see the logic of prosecutors meriting categories, but defense attorneys not.
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Category appears to be in keeping with other Critics of... categories. I'm not sure what the nominator means by "the nature of 'criticism' is wholly ambiguous" but we do have a
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The category is defining and matches ones for other nations around the world. What is the source of the systemic bias that assumes that this category will never grow?
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we don't categorize lawyers by who their clients are or where they are kept. Next, we'll have San Quentin attorneys, and SingSing attorneys, Alcatraz attorneys, etc.
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the other "Critics of..." categories. I've removed the Knowledge (XXG) category from this master cat, at least for now, others may restore it if they so choose.
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I disagree. The historical importance of these proceedings and the weight given them in biographical articles do reach the level of a defining characteristic.
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I can't even figure out what this is supposed to be. It certainly does not seem to be a valid category. However, I also can't see grounds for speedy deletion.
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There is no need to separate NCAA and NAIA in our categorising, and there is certainly no precedent. This suggestion is fine if the nomination is to rename
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I doubt that you would find that having done so is particularly defining for those who did. Which is probably why the category has not been created.
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per nom. Seems like a reasonable intermediate step to take until there is a need for these broader categories, if indeed they will ever be needed.
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per nom. (Any human or animal can "change their size". It's called overeating. Or are we talking about changes in height here? It is not clear.)
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While there is an article that matches the current title, the description of the category states that the parent is the proposed rename target.
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does crouching count? and we won't talk about which character on Star Trek:TNG claims to be "anatomically functional in every way" LOL...
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of a handful of other categories (which should also be examined) does not mandate or even suggest that this one should be kept.
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makes some sense, but this one not as much since for many defence attorneys a G.B. person is just one client among hundreds.
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Oh, my dear. The joke is that on first sight the article seems to be unrelated to the category. Frankly, I'd remove it from
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of prior cases are completely unconvincing and arguments based exclusively on the dreaded slippery slope should be ignored.
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shouldn't the BYU one retain the team name "Cougars"? Or do the women's and men's track teams have different names?
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as overcategorisation. And you'll get onto trouble with all shapechangers (which per definition should all be here).
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792:. Ambiguous category. Change in height is part of puberty as well, so that's not defining either. Nice use of 1520:
Many of the articles in this category deal with other aspects of the menstrual cycle than just menstruation.
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articles categorized here generally do appear to be quite clear about the nature of their various criticisms.
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Knowledge (XXG) was involved I could see the issue being moot, but I don't see a big issue of this. __
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to Knowledge (XXG)'s reputation. If so, we're getting into the realm of censorship.
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but not every lawyer who's ever argued before the Supreme Court, or categorizing
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Why one should have categories on prosecutors rather than the defense escapes me.
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This is a valid category. Criteria for inclusion is not ambiguous.
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