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470:"American". The United States today is so ethnically diverse and countless people there have no common ethnic background with one another, so one can't really say one is of "American descent" simply because he or she had ancestors who lived in America (unless referring to Native American ancestors). If this category and its subcategories (which can be found in its page) were used to list people of Native American descent, they should be 661:. I would say that all nationals-descent categories should also be so renamed to separate ethnic descent from nationals descent, since many ethnic groups shares names with countries, but many ethnic group traditional homelands are spread across multiple countries, and long term ethnic enclaves outside their home ranges have existed for centuries for some groups. -- 234:-- Having such a department may well be far too common: what next? those with chiropody, gynocology ... I regard this as a performance (speciality) by performer (hospital) category. This may not strictly apply, but the underlying reasons for banning award winners and performance categories certainly apply. 613:
Canadian, Pakistani, and arguably many other nationality cats as well. I am not sure you can argue Brazilian can stand, if American falls. It actually is a very US centric bias to claim "American" is not an ethnicity. Anyone outside the US would argue there are one or more clear ethnic American groups.
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Sounds rather ironic to say that claiming "American" isn't an ethnicity is US-centric. Canadian also is not an ethnicity, and neither is Australian. The only "ethnic Americans" would be Native Americans, and the "ethnic American groups" would be the various Native American tribes like Cherokee and
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A misleading category that suggests "American" is an ethnicity when in fact it is only a nationality. "Native American" is an ethnic category (and all its tribes such as Cherokee, Algonquin, Iroquois Confederacy, Navajo, etc. represent different ethnicities within the ethnic group), but not simply
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I have a friend who was born in Germany to an American father and a German mother. She was clearly at age 3 a German of American descent. We have lots of articles on people in various other countries who notably have ancestors from the United States. If we are going to scrpa this one, so goes
200:—Because chiropractic is considered to be in the "alternative medicine" domain by practitioners of Western medicine, most hospitals that have articles on enWP won't have a chiropractic department. However, this doesn't mean that those that do have such a department are defined by such. 541:
here 'of descent' simply means 'ones forefathers were from country X'. I think the shills 'of descent' tree is extremely problematic and needs a major haircut, but we should start a broader, longer discussion about what to do vs
148:. It is not clear that having a department of any kind is defining for a hospital. Most hospitals have tens to scores of departments. So if this was allowed we would have an unmanageable list of categories for every hospital. 678:-- This is a contianer category. Here I think that "American" is being used as a synonym of USA. This should perhaps be clarified in a headnote. However, "native American" should be a separate tree. 501:
nomination does not understand the category system. To understand categories, one must look around at the subcategories, sibling categories and parent categories. The relevant parent category here is
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long enough that many identify themselves as simply "Americans" regardless of their immigrant/citizen/emigrant status; and would likely continue to do so even if the USA became the
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We should not categorize hospitals by the departments they have, but articles on departments by what hospital they are in (assuming there are notable departments of hospitals).
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They could be merged to "expatriots from United States to ____" if need be, but there is no such thing as "American descent" unless referring to Native American descent.
505:. Notice the word 'or' in the name. There is nothing whatsoever that is strange or wrong with this category: it is for Americans who have emigrated to other countries. 556:
Would "of _____ ancestry" or "of ______ heritage" be any better? Maybe WP:TNT? If you've got a place to start such a broader conversation, by all means link me to it.
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Navajo. Same for Canada. Nationality is separate from ethnicity. Yes, this would mean lots of categories would go, but there are still lots who would stay. Based on
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the current title is ambiguous, considering Amerind descent could also easily be meant by this category.
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Not defining and not a good idea to start category clutter based on every service a hospital has.
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descendants of "non-indigenous" people have lived in the
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Knowledge:Categories for discussion
Log
May 16
May 18
talk page
deletion review
Good Ol’factory
01:07, 26 May 2014 (UTC)
Category:Hospitals with chiropractic departments
edit
talk
history
links
watch
logs
Vegaswikian
talk
21:07, 17 May 2014 (UTC)
Lugnuts
08:37, 18 May 2014 (UTC)
XXSNUGGUMSXX
talk
17:50, 18 May 2014 (UTC)
Beeswaxcandle
talk
07:00, 19 May 2014 (UTC)
John Pack Lambert
talk
03:46, 20 May 2014 (UTC)
Peterkingiron

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