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and as fully as possible populate the category. If a user is not willing to put in such work because of the large scope of the category, then perhaps the user should reconsider whether they should be creating the category in the first place. When users create expansive categories such as this and leave them woefully unpopulated, it damages the credibility of the category system and of
Knowledge (XXG) in general." Well, a year later this category has a grand total of 63 articles in it. I would point out that the vast majority of these adds were by the category creator. In the discussion, three active basketball editors voted to delete and 2 individuals who rarely contribute to articles on the sport voted keep. This category is not gaining any traction because those who actually work on those articles do not generally believe it is needed. The rationale behind keeping was
1118:"People who use a particular skin will notice when elements are broken during updates to Knowledge (XXG) under those skins." - Even if true, Why would categorizing them help? Do you think the developer that makes the changes is going to go through this category and post on people's talk pages and ask them if everything is working fine? Couldn't they just switch skins themselves for a fraction of the effort? Also, the name isn't intuitive at all. I bet half the people looking at this nom's title thought it meant Wikipedians by skin color. Even if it's kept it needs a more intuitive name (Wikipedians by Knowledge (XXG) skin?) Although I still don't see the point of keeping these around.
1158:"Do you think the developer that makes the changes is going to go through this category and post on people's talk pages and ask them if everything is working fine?" I wonder myself if anyone uses these categories for collaboration. But, arguing that a category could be useful but no one would bother to use it is more of a general policy discussion about user categories than it is a reason to delete this particular set of cats.
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for me (other than the distance of a three-point line). It also irks me that the creator of this category is too lazy to actually implement it and diffuse the "American basketball players" to "American men's basketball players." I see this sort of crap happen all the time with editors who are "professional categorizers" - they start creating unnecessary subcats and then leave it up to everyone else to clean up their mess.
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1688:. I was born in Canada, moving to the UK (where my parents are from) when I was a small baby. I have a Canadian passport and have lived in Canada (briefly!) as an adult. Would I therefore qualify as a 'basketball player from Alberta'? Also how are you defining "formative years"? And no, I would definitely not support a move of
1719:. Determing how a person qualifies for state-specific categories is a secondary issue to whether the category "American men's basketball players" should exist or not (which is the flcus of this CfD). If you don't believe the same type of category should exist for male English footballers, then why would you vote to keep it?
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category is not. That is completely inconsistent. And feel free to sub "British men's footballers" if you prefer. If someone wants to open a CfD on "basketball players by state" categories, have at it, but this discussion is meant to decide what happens to the parent category "American men's basketball players."
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as unnecessary over-categorization. There are already 50 state subcats for basketball players (plus
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would solve that problem. The developers aren't omniscient, even switching skins will not result in a thorough test of every single case. Asking some active regular users who use a skin about any problems they experience would be useful to ensuring the
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A whole mass of unrelated albums could accumulate here on the basis that albums are LGBT-related as the creators are LGBT-related (the entire discography of R.E.M., Queen, Elton John... - need I go on?). There is probably a useful way of gathering albums which directly cover LGBT topics, but this
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generally it would be that the person was born there or spent their formative years in the state. Also, I assume by your reponse that you would also be in favor of a new category "English men's footballers" and migrating the current "English footballers" category to this if such a category were
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2002:- Non-notable, non-useful category grouping that presently contains a single article that is probably going to be deleted, redirected or merged on Tuesday (October 14). Not sure what the creator was thinking, but this is not a standard subcategory for American college football programs.
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Florida and 10 years living in California. Where is he from?
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