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cars, subcategories for vehicles, and parts should be left with the old name if they are identified with the old company, and parented to the new company at the highest reasonable level. Some might need dual parents if they were developed by the old company and marketed by the new one (Lets ignore Fiat/Chrysler here). In this case, there is no harm, and probably a lot of goodness by keeping the engine category and parenting it with
1093:. It is not clear that the various companies are tied together by more then acquiring the brand name and not the products. If that is correct, we really should have a category for each of the companies. Acquiring a brand and then effectively starting from scratch is not the same as a merger of two companies. But as I said, that is for after this close. If anything it builds the case for most of this not being upmerged to VW.
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808:. These two categories contain only one article combined (and a redirect to that same article) so they serve no navigation function. There is no complete set of engines by automaker let alone engines by subsidiary. No objection to recreating later if/when the article count grows.
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