2703:. The intent is rather clearly to track the occupation of landowner as distributed by nationality. The proposed format of "Owners of land in Foo" completely undermines that purpose and creates the dreaded category clutter of listing every nation where any one landowner owns land. There is no threshold to determine if someone is notable for owning land in any list of particular nations, while it's much simpler to determine if some is defined as a landowner and to then associate that with their nationality. Isn't this also an example of performer by performance?
2763:. Your issues might be addressed by creating a separate (though almost entirely overlapping) structure, but the proposal put on the table here subverts the entire purpose of the category for the sake of a handful of exceptions, as notable as they might be. People can own land in dozens of nations, leading to a real issue of category clutter, and there is no meaningful threshold to determine what makes someone a landowner in a particular nation, making it entirely arbitrary. If non-American owns a place in the Hamptons, do they belong in
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If the current scheme is designed to delineate by the owner's nationality rather than the location of the land, then I think that is questionable as a defining characteristic. Being an "American landowner" who owns land in Texas is profoundly different from being an "American landowner" who owns land
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The point of these categories is to group land-owners by nationality, not where they own land. A 19th-century
British industrialist who owned who tracts of land in India, South Africa, the United States, or anywhere else is still just a British land-owned. An American industrialist who bought a huge
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As any communist will tell you, land is unique as a form of property. There is no chance of this affecting the rest of the occupation categories, because we categorise people by their nationality and what they do, not where they do it. Needless to say, land is national (and static) by its nature and
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Do we really want to start categorizing people by where (some) of their interests happen to lie, vs based on their nationality? What woudl the parent of these categories be? People by occupation by place where that occupation takes place? I'm not sure this fine level of detail is needed. While I see
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If there would be a fair amount of novels about Hitler, it would be no problem to create a child category for that. Same applies for the other example. But that's all hypothetical hence beside the point of this discussion. With the current list of articles there is clearly no need to subcategorize.
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The exceptions are not just a "handful" of people; far from it. For centuries, most of the land of
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true, they are unambiguous, but I still wonder if the second is important enough. It is much easier to own land in 20 countries than to have 20 nationalities, so classifying by where the owned land is would seem to tend towards overcategorization. Beyond that, in many cases, these two will be
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By double-checking I found that 'Personal accounts' seems to be a tiny bit broader than 'Memoirs'. The category also contains for example a literature/art project and a diary. By reversing the merge we would have to remove these articles from the category, that wouldn't have my preference.
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2563:. It is debatable whether he should be categorised as an "Irish landowner", but he was certainly an owner of land in Ireland, and noted for it: the management of his estate in Sligo is a notable part of the history of the area, and indeed of the
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Mmm, the suggested name doesn't seem as feasible but I agree with you on the reasoning. Why not have both categories for landowners by nationality and then add that owner category if they're not actually from that country?♦
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This category has been polluted with many child categories that have nothing to do with views as originally intended. For that purpose I propose to rename the category into something more specific and concrete, and to move
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If we categorise land ownership by the nationality of the owner, then we create a situation where the notable owners of adjoining estates are in wholly different categories. That does not assist navigation, which per
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648:Could you explain the difference between the two?
3471:per current standards as cited. --User:Ceyockey (
3193:All single articles and the following childcats
2360:keep existing categories; no consensus on split
2362:i.e. whether "Owners of land in Foo" would be
2126:Category:WikiProjects featured in The Signpost
2701:Category:People by nationality and occupation
2425:Category:Owners of land in the United Kingdom
2141:Category:WikiProjects in The Signpost by date
2122:Category:WikiProjects in The Signpost by name
2076:Category:WikiProjects in The Signpost by name
1375:Category:Knowledge (XXG) disambiguation pages
931:Category:Non-fiction books about Adolf Hitler
145:Same reason as previous category nomination.
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2765:Category:Owners of land in the United States
2415:Category:Owners of land in the United States
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3220:For all other child categories the current
2559:family, he inherited huge Irish estates in
1719:Category:WikiProject Redirect project pages
1715:Category:WikiProject Redirect/project pages
1666:Category:WikiProject Redirect/project pages
2553:Henry John Temple, 3rd Viscount Palmerston
391:Category:Personal accounts of World War II
1091:Category:European Space Agency task force
920:Category:History books about Adolf Hitler
853:Category:History books about Adolf Hitler
807:Category:History books about Adolf Hitler
18:Knowledge (XXG):Categories for discussion
3059:Category:Los Angeles County school stubs
3013:Category:Los Angeles County school stubs
2263:Knowledge (XXG):WikiProject Hall of Fame
1835:Category:WikiProject Redirect categories
1831:Category:WikiProject Redirect/categories
1782:Category:WikiProject Redirect/categories
3429:List of town tramway systems in Romania
1607:Category:WikiProject Redirect templates
1603:Category:WikiProject Redirect/templates
1554:Category:WikiProject Redirect/templates
1387:Category:Knowledge (XXG) disambiguation
1994:which should easily sit in the parent
627:Category:Biographies about politicians
3423:This category doesn't seem to follow
3293:Category:Judaism and environmentalism
3237:already, so no harm will happen here.
2873:Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus
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3231:Category:Judaism and other religions
1488:Category:WikiProject Article grading
1442:Category:WikiProject Article grading
576:Category:Biographies of Adolf Hitler
520:Category:Biographies of Adolf Hitler
425:Category: American Civil War memoirs
107:Category:Soccer clubs in Constantine
60:Category:Soccer clubs in Constantine
3260:Category:Jewish belief and doctrine
3179:Split: partly rename, partly delete
2942:; both are completely unambiguous.
2679:Category:Owners of land in Scotland
2444:Category:Owners of land in Scotland
2368:Category:Owners of land in Scotland
1990:Category is merely a container for
3282:was deleted for this very reason.
2936:Category:Landowners by nationality
2801:is the main purpose of categories.
2761:Category:Landowners by nationality
2697:Category:Landowners by nationality
2493:Category:Owners of land in Ireland
2483:Category:Owners of land in Hungary
2473:Category:Owners of land in Estonia
2463:Category:Owners of land in Denmark
2435:Category:Owners of land in England
2401:Category:Landowners by nationality
2372:Category:Owners of land in Ireland
1952:Category:WikiProject collaboration
1898:Category:WikiProject collaboration
284:Category:Football clubs in Algeria
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3366:The result of the discussion was:
3137:The result of the discussion was:
3041:The result of the discussion was:
2532:Category:Owners of land in Turkey
2522:Category:Owners of land in Sweden
2512:Category:Owners of land in Poland
2502:Category:Owners of land in Norway
2357:The result of the discussion was:
2224:Category:WikiProject Hall of Fame
2205:The result of the discussion was:
2177:Category:WikiProject Hall of Fame
2104:The result of the discussion was:
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927:Category:Books about Adolf Hitler
857:Category:Books about Adolf Hitler
835:The result of the discussion was:
580:Category:Books about Adolf Hitler
548:The result of the discussion was:
359:The result of the discussion was:
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3297:Category:Jewish views on society
3215:Category:Jewish views on society
3169:Category:Jewish views on society
2454:Category:Owners of land in Wales
1492:Category:WikiProject assessments
665:Category:Books about politicians
631:Category:Books about politicians
231:Category:Soccer clubs in Algeria
184:Category:Soccer clubs in Algeria
3233:, but this one also has parent
2940:Category:Landowners by country
2405:Category:Landowners by country
1270:Category:Monarchs of Sri Lanka
1220:Category:Sri Lankan Mudaliyars
1171:Category:Sri Lankan Mudaliyars
925:to rename the parent category
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3207:Category:Judaism and violence
2498:Category:Norwegian landowners
2479:Category:Hungarian landowners
1258:Category:Mudaliyars of Ceylon
1229:Category:Mudaliyars of Ceylon
1225:Category:Ceylonese Mudaliyars
1204:Category:Mudaliyars of Ceylon
387:Category:World War II memoirs
331:Category:World War II memoirs
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3211:Category:Judaism and warfare
3203:Category:Judaism and science
2469:Category:Estonian landowners
2440:Category:Scottish landowners
2411:Category:American landowners
2031:Category:WikiProject Council
1992:Category:WikiProject Council
1931:Category:WikiProject Council
429:Category:Vietnam War memoirs
421:Category:World War I memoirs
3431:, however in the meanwhile
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3195:Category:Gender and Judaism
2528:Category:Turkish landowners
2518:Category:Swedish landowners
2431:Category:English landowners
2421:Category:British landowners
1285:Agreed. Proposal altered.--
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3199:Category:Judaism and peace
2722:As in my example above of
2671:Category:Danish landowners
2508:Category:Polish landowners
2459:Category:Danish landowners
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3276:Category:Religious views
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3264:Category:Jewish culture
2732:Kjeld Kirk-Christiansen
2667:Kjeld Kirk-Christiansen
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3268:Category:Jewish ethics
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2928:fooian owners of land
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1996:Category:WikiProjects
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2557:Anglo-Irish
768:, per JPL.
3475:talk to me
3433:such lists
3077:Od Mishehu
2947:Od Mishehu
2878:reply here
2816:HairedGirl
2739:HairedGirl
2693:Oppose All
2578:HairedGirl
2543:Rename all
2277:Delete all
1861:John Cline
1820:Od Mishehu
1745:John Cline
1704:Od Mishehu
1629:John Cline
1592:Od Mishehu
1289:obi2canibe
1264:Obi2canibe
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1202:rename to
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708:Od Mishehu
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3096:talk page
3074:עוד מישהו
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1855:I agree.
1817:עוד מישהו
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954:עוד מישהו
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794:talk page
705:עוד מישהו
701:Keep both
623:Keep both
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535:talk page
507:talk page
479:Alright.
366:Fayenatic
346:talk page
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2824:contribs
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3398:history
2972:Comment
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2630:Support
2618:Support
2364:WP:OCAT
2237:history
2010:Comment
1965:history
1513:Support
1401:Support
900:Comment
684:Comment
292:Bearcat
244:history
120:history
55:June 29
43:June 30
38:June 28
3469:Delete
3456:DexDor
3449:Delete
3438:ELEKHH
3425:WP:CAT
3369:delete
3266:, and
3044:rename
2906:Oppose
2868:Oppose
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2743:(talk)
2669:under
2582:(talk)
2370:‎ and
2208:delete
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427:, and
271:Safiel
215:delete
147:Safiel
91:delete
3406:watch
3402:links
3280:Views
3154:ondon
2926:into
2924:Split
2814:Brown
2782:Reply
2757:Reply
2737:Brown
2726:, or
2718:Reply
2677:like
2576:Brown
2386:ondon
2284:Zappa
2245:watch
2241:links
1973:watch
1969:links
1473:merge
1076:ondon
950:Merge
929:into
883:merge
838:merge
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732:Merge
606:merge
565:ondon
551:merge
376:ondon
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248:links
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