434:. Ultimately this and the military personnel should end up mainly as container categories. At that point we can consider whether they are serving a useful purpose. There is something odd about wanting to merge into a 16th century category and at the same time to delete a similar 19th century one. As an academic historian, I have
400:: "Merchant" is a category of businessperson who buy and sell (retail?) items, but there are a number of 17th and 18th century (and earlier) businesspeople who are not merchants, eg bankers, bakers, printers & publishers, shipbuilders and industrialists. And people of the Industrial Revolution in England/Britain like
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the merchants -- A merchant at that period was primarily a person carrying on international trade, possibly also a wholesaler in domestic trade. This was a distinct economic activity within business people in general. The businesspeople category is currently well-populated. We cannot delete that
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but the articles would then need to be checked manually to remove those also in a country subcategory for the 19th-century (or merge to an existing country subcategory if not already in it) PS: I see the merchants by century category as a useful (non-diffused to country) category for a type of
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This nomination has two sets of totally unrelated categories, and the businessmen and male military personnel categories are different enough to make merge unwise, so I think we should just scrap this disparate nomination and consider the different categories
482:: The 19th century has the same businesspeople "by country" subcategories (c9) as the 20th/21st century apart from Albania. Possible other countries for "by century" categories as well as Dutch are Danish & Japanese? Perhaps the
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category for a topic that doesn't have the volume of content necessary to warrant one — of the five things in this category, three of them are just redirects to one of the other two, making this a pointless two-item
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