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626:-- I think there is a potentially viable category here, but neither the present name nor the target is a wholly satisfactory one. The subject is the struggle leading to the formation of the state of Israel, in which there certainly were incidents that others would regard as terrorism. I am looking to have a focused category that cannot be used by Arabs as an ATTACK category against Israel. I would suggest 686:– The majority of terrorism definitions includes attacks against civilians for political, religious and ideological goals. There's also a strong argument that Zionism covers the criteria of three goals to a certain degree. Political violence fits within the definition of terrorism and Zionism is no exception for an alternative, euphemistic term to be used. 566:
it's not clear if that type of ethnic violence is generally considered to be part of terrorism. If you wish to maintain that such ethnic violence can be part of terrorism anyway it may be helpful to provide some similar examples of ethnic violence that are (more clearly) generally considered to be of
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All the articles in the category are proven to be terrorist attacks, by sources. That move proposal was a very weak discussion, and the Allegations of state terrorism by Israel is irrelevant to this category. And on the contrary we should rename this category to 'Zionist terrorism' so it can match
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also mentions. However there seems to be a sort of consensus that acts of terrorism can only be conducted by groups or individual people (but not states) directed against a state or ruling government. From that perspective I would consider that Zionist terrorism may be a valid category if it will
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Just for clarity, I inserted a summary of my proposal at the beginning of my contribution. Honestly I had expected much more people to react. If nobody else reacts I consider that this alternative proposal has insufficient support and then I would support the original nomination.
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Its not ethnic violence, between two ethnicities. Almost all articles included in category are attacks of Zionist militias on Palestinians, while the remaining articles are attacks by Zionist militias on Britain. Not to mention that ethnic violence is, in fact terrorism.
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The underlying question of this discussion is to determine if the definition of terrorism includes ethnic violence between two parties (in this case by Zionists on Palestinians) while the attacked party doesn't rule the country. Based on the sources as mentioned in
719:. I guess that discussion was a strong argument, requiring to restart the entire discussion once again if reversal of that decision is proposed. Furthermore, we need to rename "Palestinian terrorism" category to "Palestinian political violence" to match 446: 438: 978: 425:, but I am not convinced with the outcome and I suggest reopening discussion on this. The argument that there are not enough sources to verify this is actually false, a quick internet search shows thousands of results. Including 979:
https://books.google.jo/books?id=_PXpFxKRsHgC&pg=PA234&dq=%22ethnic+terrorism%22&hl=ar&sa=X&ved=0CCEQ6AEwAWoVChMIhMzQp8LUyAIVRzsaCh1znA3T#v=onepage&q=%22ethnic%20terrorism%22&f=false
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argument of previous discussions about articles that are irrelevant to this discussion. As Makeandtoss has stated, the category should be changed to a more consistent title so long as there's
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Political terrorism: Violent criminal behaviour designed primarily to generate fear in the community, or substantial segment of it, for political purposes.
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If (as it currently does) this category sits below various "terrorism" categories then it would be reasonable for it to also include the word "terrorism".
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are all irrelevant to the 1940-1948 period. It could be also updated in the case that there is an upcoming Zionist terrorist attack. --
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Category titles don't directly match the head article if it's not appropriate to do so. GreyShark is confusing the matter by using a
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I highly disagree. It is a satisfactory one because it is similar to other related categories. Articles in the category like;
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Civil disorder: A form of collective violence interfering with the peace, security, and normal functioning of the community.
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to match its actual content. The category includes activities by well-known terrorist organizations such as the
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What we are doing right now constitutes to original research, no? Aren't we just expected to rely on sources?--
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only contain articles with violence against the British rulers before the independence in 1948, e.g. the
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Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the category's
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articles, where it was concluded to remove the word "terrorism" from both topics;
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I agree it doesn't really need to distinguish itself, I agree with the upmerging.
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The following is an archived discussion concerning one or more categories.
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The following is an archived discussion concerning one or more categories.
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The following is an archived discussion concerning one or more categories.
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I've notified WikiProjects France and Colonialism about this nomination.
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supporting that the articles in the categories are terrorist attacks.
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These two types alone fulfill all the components of the category.--
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are already contained in the medieval history of France and Spain.
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Here starts the difficult part about the definition of terrorism.
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The above is preserved as an archive of the discussion.
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An upmerge is not necessary per se, the subcategories of
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No further edits should be made to this section. 928:, the category has already been listed on CFDS. 900:Category:People by company in the United Kingdom 896:Category:People by company in the United Kindgom 850:Category:People by company in the United Kindgom 292:Category:Medieval Catalan and Occitan history 240:Category:Medieval Catalan and Occitan history 194:Category:Medieval Catalan and Occitan history 8: 18:Knowledge (XXG):Categories for discussion 971: 715:of that move in 2009 failed; see also 628:Category:Zionist terrorism (1940-1948) 402:Knowledge (XXG):WikiProject Terrorism 7: 748:'Palestinian terrorism' category.-- 410:Category:Jewish religious terrorism 394:Category:Zionist political violence 335:Category:Zionist political violence 251:Category:Occitano-Romance languages 466:Alternative: create child category 28: 878:The result of the discussion was: 363:The result of the discussion was: 222:The result of the discussion was: 88:The result of the discussion was: 449:and 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Index

Knowledge (XXG):Categories for discussion
Log
October 20
October 22
talk page
deletion review
Good Ol’factory
04:36, 2 November 2015 (UTC)
Category:French colonialism
Category:French colonial empire
WP:OVERLAPCAT
Marcocapelle
talk
19:06, 21 October 2015 (UTC)
Marcocapelle
talk
18:49, 22 October 2015 (UTC)
Akseli9
talk
18:55, 22 October 2015 (UTC)
talk page
deletion review
talk page
deletion review
Good Ol’factory
04:38, 2 November 2015 (UTC)
Category:Medieval Catalan and Occitan history
Category:Occitano-Romance languages
Marcocapelle
talk

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