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are more notables who have played for their respective national team, then you could add "Armenia international footballers." The rest are unnecessary. With that, you might as add a "Armenian amateur footballers." I find it unnecessary multiple subcategories when there is a category that fits all. Hovhannes
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Ancient Greek sites category, while the articles in this category are actually about cities with a history as a Greek colony.
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