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1520:, I can see you doing a G7 as the category creator but it's not okay to empty out a category while there is a discussion going on about it. What if an editor came up with a rename suggestion and people supported it or a category merge? We would have to go through your contributions to try to find whatever articles were originally in this category. In the future, please let the proposal close with some determination and then the closing editor can enact whatever they determine the consensus to be. 234:
editing guideline of allowing the category and corresponding list to be built in synergistic fashion. The nominator's cutoff of four is utterly arbitrary and capricious and has no relevance in policy or in making Knowledge (XXG) an effective tool for viewing articles through the category structure.
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be commonly labelled as scientists, film directors, or whatever else their occupation is. But people are rarely if ever described by reliable sources as, say American chemists of Hungarian descent. I think some categories exist simply because some people prefer small categories over large ones.
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and look at entries 118 and higher up to 250 most of which are People from Categories that were nominated for merging and where the consensus has firmly established that small communities with a limited number of notable people entries are merged back into the county categories. Consensus is the
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is flawed because it doesn't give a firm number leaving these endless "cutoff" discussions for the CFD nominations. I see this change as improving navigation though both because the parent category won't be too large to navigate and because the subcats are small (to me).
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The parent category is quite large, so there is some justification for splitting out a city category, as was done for there other sports for Perth. There are numerous similar categories for Sydney, and categories at various levels for other large Australia cities.
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with that category. I requested speedy deletion just to close this matter quickly. And thanks for your appreciation, I will surely not request "speedy" for any matter under discussion in future. I would like to thank you for voting for "Keep" here.
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The whole ghost and supernatural phenomenon would be "utter nonsense" to a rationalist. But that's not what we are here on this venue for. You may take that up on Village Pump and get the whole
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and all its subcategories, this one should be kept as part of the structure. To me there's only one house that's been legally declared haunted and that's from
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the two child categories were not tagged yet, I've done that now. This implies that the discussion has to stay open for at least one more week.
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is Hungarian-born (the article does not say where or when he was born, but he started his education in Hungary) shouldn’t he be in the category
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Upmerge. Consensus when creating these categories was for them to be state-by-state, can't see why Perth should be a special exception to this.
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Full diffusion of the county category allows for effective navigation across the category structure, and fulfills the stated purpose of the
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I was creator of that category, I emptied that category and requested speedy deletion. It was becoming very annoying from the nominator. --
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no indication that scientists of Hungarian descent do science differently than those of Romanian, Bolivian, or any other "descent".
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just grew from four entries to five. Before it had to be deleted now it's fine. What changed? What's the reason for four vs. five?
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is an atypical subcategory for "X people of Y descent" category and should be deleted. However, there is a category structure of
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Cape May County only has around 100,000 residents. This is not really large enough to demonstate a need for further subdivision.
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per nom. Although not stated in the guideline, consensus about a cut-off of five articles has grown in the course of time.
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Reportedly does not imply doubt, it just implies that the place is thought to be haunted, or reported to be haunted. --
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is enough for sole article in nominated category. There is no potential of growth in this category. So it suits
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and everything else is just reliable sources saying that other people think that a place is haunted. --
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Why not two or seven or any other number? What is it about having five entries fulfills a magic number?
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giving promotional quotes from the creators of a ghost themed reality show filming at the location.
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region in that category. Anyway, it should have been deleted because there was really a issue of
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so I am less certain about the upmerging since these valid parent categories exist as does
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I do appreciate you coming back and sharing what you did, otherwise, it was a mystery.
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You're right, I missed it but I think the citation is representative. The reliable
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Unimpressed. It's arbitrary, capricious and counterproductive, no matter what.
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There have at least 100 CFDs similar to this. Go to the editor talk page here
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Per the above comment. Marathawada is neither a state nor a territory. --
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Looks like some editor emptied the category out of process and admin
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and all the various subcategories. Until there's a CFD discussion on
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Category:American people by occupation and ethnic or national origin
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I would say those higher categories of occupation by origin fail
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per nom. These intersections are too msall be be worthwhile.
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rather than " .... of Hungarian descent" like say scientists
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has an Entertainment article titled with a question mark
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by the media. Which constitutes a third party source. --
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Index

Knowledge (XXG):Categories for discussion
Log
July 19
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talk page
deletion review
Category:People from Cape May County, New Jersey
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Fayenatic london
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Category:People from Avalon, New Jersey
Category:Cape May County, New Jersey
Category:People from Cape May Point, New Jersey
Category:Cape May County, New Jersey
Category:People from Dennis Township, New Jersey
Category:Cape May County, New Jersey
Category:People from Lower Township, New Jersey
Category:Cape May County, New Jersey
Category:People from North Wildwood, New Jersey
Category:Cape May County, New Jersey
Category:People from Sea Isle City, New Jersey
Category:Cape May County, New Jersey
Category:People from Stone Harbor, New Jersey
Category:Cape May County, New Jersey
Category:People from Wildwood Crest, New Jersey
Category:Cape May County, New Jersey
WP:SMALLCAT
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16:18, 20 July 2015 (UTC)

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