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is an ethnicity for people, some with
Russian nationality. One article that I looked at was a Bessarabian man who had campaigned for union of Bessarabia with Romania, but most are best described as Moldovan. I suspect that the majority of the population of Moldova are ethnic Romanians; if so, categorising them as such is not useful.
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for a long time and is well-known as such. With the exception of the age factor (supervedettes are usually at least in their late 30s, if not older), this concept is sort of the like the idea of a "supermodel". Anyway, there isn't really any objective criteria for a vedette becoming a supervedette,
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No one born after 1917, and no one who was not notable by that date should be in this category. On the other hand it should include no one who died before 1812. However we essentially get this as a majority category, so it does not work. Bassarabia was part of the
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Bessarabia was part of Romania (1918-1945) so that people in Bessarabia had Romanian nationality. The best choices seem to narrow the scope of the category to that period, or to delete the category altogether. I would be fine with
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Bessarabia has hardly been an independent country with certain borders so it's difficult to assess whether someone was from Bessarabia or not, except in case people belong to
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region to "Bulgarians", "Germans" , "Jews" and "Romanians". I am far from certain that the distinction is so clear-cut over the history of the region. Also it is a mistake to equate
Bessarabia with modern
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larger (e.g. China stubs) and editors can then intersect them with permcats if necessary - otherwise there's continual churn of stubcats.
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