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Typhoons in Alaska does not make sense when you consider that most storms to have impacted the state were in fact typhoons. The link you provide also states nothing about typhoons in Alaska being named hurricanes and I for one would be shocked and very surprised if the
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Pacific Ocean storms are classed as typhoons rather than hurricanes; it's a typhoon only if it forms on the
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based on a combination of Jason Rees' bit about how many typhoons have affected Alaska and what Ks0stm said about "hurricane" being in more common usage in the United States. It may misrepresent the way people in the United States at large refer to the storms to call the category "Typhoons in
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the category from the articles would be appropriate, therefore initiated the discussion. I'm willing to accept the possible outcome of the discussion that the subcategory as I created it is appropriate after all (although that's not what I'm proposing).
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Amchitka Island in Alaska are recurvers from the Western Pacific. I will also note that Dr Jeff Masters who runs an extremely well repected blog last year authored a blog entry called
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