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1468:- the term "shadow cabinet" is widely used in New Zealand rather than "opposition cabinet". The current name has problems for other reasons. Firstly, there is no opposition/shadow cabinet other than in the national parliament, so the first word is redundant; secondly, one of the country's two main political parties is the 845:
I have no opinion on the main article name that the nominator boldly moved. I think a form RM on the article will involve more editors and, regardless of whether that happens, give us a formal decision to standardize naming. The categories should blindly match the main article name in my view, but if
1185:. Supercategory, includes fisheries conservation organizations, fisheries agencies, and fisheries research organizations. All are focused on fisheries, but with different objectives (management, conservation, research). Keep category name as is. Thanks, 1018:
The fisheries grouping is trying to group commercial fishing oversight organizations, often based on treaties or laws, and the target group is trying to group recreational and sports fishing organizations. The names are unclear though:
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It's worth noting that the previous CFD was made solely based on the title of an article, and didn't take into account the names of all the subcategories, or the associated stub tag for comedy-horror films.
828:, there are 158 hits for "horror comedy" and 61 for "comedy horror". The subcats should probably all be renamed to fit this scheme, and the main article should be moved back (and move protected). 1573:: the majority of the content of this uses the form "shadow", not "opposition". Nevertheless, no shadow cabinet is feasible except in countries where one party dominates the opposition. 1236:
as originally nominated. The distinction between the two categories remains unclear, even if renamed. I wouldn't mind creating subcategories for companies and trade associations though.
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would be an organisation in France, but not based in France. (It should be 'z', to follow the top category in France.) Anyway I would prefer a reverse merge (with a 'z').
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strongly under both heads. The current contents are entirely from the Labour party when it was the main party in opposition to a National-led government.
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What are we doing with subcategories? They aren't necessarily management organizations, especially the research institutes. I'm leaning
635:. We're not going to keep moving categories back and forth as editors move around the main article. Achieve a stable article title at 489: 1334: 1109: 1105: 981: 977: 963: 196:– my recollection is that the format 'based in Foo' was chosen at cfd (over 'in Foo' or 'of Foo' or 'Fooish'), and hence we have 1049: 477: 1608: 1069: 1022: 967: 1030: 992:
Overlapping. No obvious differentiation. Could split out scientific, commercial and sport organisations more usefully.
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unless we have a clear plan for those subcategories. This sounds like rescoping rather than just renaming. ~
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The rest of the subcategories of use the format "organizations in", not "organizations based in".
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Per above discussion. (Note that Ocuuli was commenting on the original delete nomination.)
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The outcome of this nomination should match the one above, whether I agree with it or not.
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is in need of some serious work, by the looks of it - the key article is capitalised as
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The organizations' activity and the category scope becomes clearer with the new name.
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Since there was no objection, I created the recreational category. How about renaming
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as the parent uses "based in". The sub-categories can then be speedily renamed as per
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but I don't think it is feasible to do the same for all kinds of organisations.
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I would second this. I find the term shadow cabinet is the most commonly used (
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also seems redundant (and confused, since it also contains regional cabinets).
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I think, because it's some time ago, that I need agreement to undo my mistake.
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and this category. "horror comedy" is good enough. Doing a Google search at
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that article name is in flux the categories will keep moving back and forth.
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The following is an archived discussion concerning one or more categories.
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as a subcat. Move articles into appropriate subcats. Doesn't need cfd.
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I think this can be closed. We have worked out a solution.
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this appears to be at least somewhat resolved, and there's
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It would be nice if we could settle on a single title at
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To correspond with article and rest of category tree.
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Knowledge (XXG):Categories for discussion
Log
June 30
July 2
talk page
deletion review
Tavix
19:36, 11 September 2016 (UTC)
Category:Business organisations based in France
Category:Business organizations in France
Rathfelder
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22:52, 1 July 2016 (UTC)
Oculi
talk
01:38, 2 July 2016 (UTC)
WP:OVERLAPCAT
RevelationDirect
talk
02:21, 2 July 2016 (UTC)
Rathfelder
talk
06:46, 2 July 2016 (UTC)
Category:Organizations based in France
Category:Organizations in France
Category:Organizations of France
Category:French organizations
McDonald's
Oculi
talk

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