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1182:. Vast numbers have been awarded. Nearly 400,000 for WWII. More than 30,000 for Korea. Nearly 720,000 for Vietnam (including more than 170,000 with 'V'). Nearly 29,000 for the Gulf War. More than 68,000 for Operation Enduring Freedom. More than 102,000 for Operation Iraqi Freedom. This is essentially treated as just a service medal for doing your job properly. There can't be many long-serving individuals who 3523:- and is probably more or less equivalent). The categories need to be renamed to reflect this, but not deleted. If we delete these cats, we have to question why a Russian award is being deleted but a very similar American award is not (and I can guarantee would never be). That would seem to me to be pure 2155:
Arabic is not generally used as an adjective except when referring to the language or in a few traditional phrases such as “gum arabic” and “Arabic numerals.” Then Arab studies is the scholarly term for research concerning Arabs and Arab World. It consists of several disciplines such as anthropology,
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Sounds like a good suggestion. The academic study of Arabic has a long history, and certainly needs its own category. I thought it would be easier to get there by reversing the category rename (thus preserving the edit history), then setting up a category for Arab studies, if the consensus is that
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Right...as I said, I decided a CFD probably wasn't the best course of action without getting other editors' opinions, which I've solicited, though nobody's weighed in yet. If you think it's appropriate for Chinese Memoirs to be tagged even though right now I'm not proposing a course of action on it
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That's a different subject. Not all or even most of his students followed in his school, while there are people who followed in his school who did not study under him. And it is not exact science which scholars can be considered the followers of his school. It's the sort of thing that is best
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Currently has only one entry. And this person shouldn't really be in there, given that he became a billionarie only long after the Soviet Union ended. There were blackmarket millionaires in the Soviet Union, and a few with access to vast resources (think Stalin), but billionaires, in the classic
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If this category is going to be principally used to file actual Nazis, there's no point in avoiding calling it a category of anti-Semites. This is completely ridiculous. The BLP ban against putting living people in bigotry categories doesn't apply to the majority of people currently housed here.
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I don't believe that it matters. If it were a defining category, then the lead for the articles on the recipients would open with: "X was an U.S. army officer who was a recipient of the Bronze Star Medal...". I don't see this in the articles that are currently in this category.
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Sorry, but you can't have it both ways. First you said "let's change the name", now you say "let's change the articles". And I say: let's keep both and no problem. If you disagree, open a discussion on the talkpage or another discussion here, but this is going nowhere.
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must have been intended for articles relating to the Arabic language and literature. I'm open to suggestions about how to disentangle Arabic studies from Arab studies (studies relating to the Arab people and culture), but it cannot be right to mix the two
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I'm not sure the theoretical existence of potential edge cases is a compelling reason to avoid categorization of people for whom it is in fact defining, unambiguous and one of the chief sources of their notability, such as the ones I named above.
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Many of these are Ali's management and training staff, so I may just create a new, slightly narrower category for that. When I created this category, I was unaware of the guideline and was following the lead of the similar Trump category.
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I don't follow. "Defining" doesn't mean "notable for." Being a student of X often is defining, even if it doesn't make someone notable. For example, country of origin is defining but very few people are notable because of their country of
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I shall be very interested to see how that turns out once (and if) the American veterans spot it. I'm supporting its deletion, since it's more or less equivalent to (if not lower than, and certainly far, far more common than) the British
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I'm not sure what you mean by "keep both". We currently have a category (and its eponymous article) which purport to deal with "Arab studies" - the study of the people - and no category for Arabic studies - the study of the Arabic
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So that no one slips through the cracks who, barring the euphemistic name, is productively categorized here - it'll be simpler to re-add those four or five people to a Critics category than to go through all the anti-Semites.
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article), and as such this category, like tons of others like it that presumably don't exist yet, is quite reasonable. Either add text saying that it's just for Strauss' doctoral students, or rename to something like
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This is to reverse a category renaming which has not been discussed. The category is for studies of the Arabic language, not the Arab people, and the undiscussed move, and several related edits, are inappropriate.
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Agreed, but the category is - or at least was - for articles relating to studies of the language. There may be a need for a Category:Arab studies also, but that needs to be a different category.--
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To make it perfectly clear, I created the category and I agree with the Delete, so can this be closed as Delete ASAP? I want this cleaned out before I create a category that satisfies guidelines.
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also exists. Perhaps the solution here is to cleanup the "Judaism critics category"? Or delete all? I believe that the decision should be taken in the context of these other categories.
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This should be easy to solve. If sufficient content is available about each we can have a category about Arab(ic) studies in general and a subcategory about Arab(ic) language studies.
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Categorization by non-defining category. Literally every academic studies under another academic or academics but they are not notable for their mentor but for their own work.
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as above. Regarding the creation of a category for anti-Semites or the otherwise euphemistic sense of "critic", I don't think that requires discussion here. —
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It's a better translation and there's no evidence they're better known by another name in English-language sources. I have already renamed the article. --
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This opens up a bunch of categories for "Students of " which is just unwieldy. Does this apply to someone just studied a class? Doctoral advisor? ―
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Non-defining, as none of the recipients are known for being awarded this decoration. Nearly 400,000 were awarded in WWII, and more later. Fails
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It's an arbitrary assemblage of football codes which has three subcategories that are also in its parent category. There is no scheme for
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Strauss' influence on some of his students is interesting, but it is a small number of people that can best be mentioned in his article.
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You seem to be wrong: the category is not about studies of the language, but rather the culture. See e.g. such entries as
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properly categorised as a critic of Judaism, so his article was moved to the parent category and the American sub-cat was
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I nominated the Bronze Star category for deletion as well. We'll see what happens; the nomination is at:
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Thanks Jack of Oz (who is the creator). I realize we could also do away with the parentheses and call it
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Oppose. Who says being an anti-semite is a defining trait? And how would be rename it?
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It seems to me that Debresser's solution is the most implementable one, at this time.
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There is no benefit in doing this, we need to assess the articles one by one anyway.
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I'll just point out that there are a number of other examples of Fooian memoirs at
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so deleting outright would not stop anyone from navigating to this content. ―
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if he's Czech surely he's not of Soviet nationality anyway? –
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The club changed their name during the offseason (again). –
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Index

Knowledge (XXG):Categories for discussion
Log
March 26
March 28
talk page
deletion review
Fayenatic
London
07:52, 6 May 2017 (UTC)
Category:Orange County Blues FC
Category:Orange County SC
Category:Orange County Blues FC players
Category:Orange County SC players
Category:Orange County Blues FC seasons
Category:Orange County SC seasons
Michael
talk
20:14, 27 March 2017 (UTC)
WikiProject Football
Michael
talk
20:15, 27 March 2017 (UTC)
Giant
Snowman
17:53, 28 March 2017 (UTC)
Fenix down
talk
12:07, 4 May 2017 (UTC)
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deletion review

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