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2995:, thank you very much for your response, I appreciate the sources you mentioned. For some reason it is more common to find ethnicity based categories deriving from the United States than other countries, possibly because there is more English language coverage on the matter. However as of this comment the two articles in this cateory are not notable for being LGTBQ
439:). I don't think we should be so strict about categorization that some articles don't fit into any topic-based categories - i.e. biographical articles that can only be categorized by things such as year of birth/death (which are really categories for administration) and not by what the person is notable for.
1816:- I generally like the idea of such a merge but worry there are a lot of components (mostly of sailing ships) that are not universal to the two. Perhaps one overarching category could be created, say "Sailing vessel components", with subcategories for components unique to sailboats or sailing ships. --
1842:(I guess I should have looked there, huh?). I note from the former "Distinctions in what constitutes a sailing boat and ship vary by region and maritime culture.". I've at least added the links to these main pages to the two categories, to keep it clear, in case the merge doesn't actually happen. --
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This is the only category with the scope "websites that publish material from the perspective of a political party", which is difficult to define. The current category name suggests that the websites are owned by the
Republican Party or has links to it, which cannot be proven for many websites in
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IMO this category can work without us defining "heavily tattooed"; if being heavily tattooed is the/a reason for a person's notability (why that person is in RSs) then put them in the category. If the category is deleted (without an upmerge) then it would leave articles such as
2097:: a merge is when the contents of CAT are moved to CatB, and CatA is then deleted. In this case I think we both agree that CatA and CatB should both be kept, but some of their contents moved to a new CatC, which will be a parent of both. --
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who started many categories on similarly obscure awards. See for example:
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