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Christians to appropriate the entire category to themselves. So while it may not sit nicely with WP:Precision (so beloved of BHG in the GB discussions),
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Moldavia" category). The cat as it stands now should only be present on articles about people born in a territory that, at the time of their birth, weas part of the
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Unnecessary, as all the city-specific lists have been redirected to their parent city articles, and only the single main list of schools remains. ♠
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