1219:-It seems to be, that as there are more editors from the United States, as a result of the sheer size of the country, it would be best to keep it as 'organizations'. In this way, the chances for something of the sort reappearing again in the future when someone makes a category with the other spelling are reduced, as the spelling for A is accepted in both nations, but B is only used in the UK. We should standardize articles in such a way that we are less likely to have to go back to this again.
1472:. How do we raise the wider issue? Although its probably true that s in more used in British English z is clearly acceptable. For countries where English is not the main language I cant see why the spelling would be an issue. Our case is that inconsistency in spelling organisation is unhelpful - there is no perfect answer - but agreement on organization would be better than what we have now.
1202:-- According to my Swedish dictionary the Swedish word is "organisation". Furthermore, Sweden is in EU, one of whose official languages is English - British English. This will continue to be the case after Brexit as Republic of Ireland will still be in EU. We should not be blindly following what the creator of the parent chose.
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There cannot be uniformity in the subject categories as the UK (with many others) uses 's' and the US (with many others) uses 'z'. There can and should be uniformity in each country category. I am perfectly content with either 'z' or 's' (but not a mixture) in any country subcat.
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