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actually use these for collaboration in that it dilutes the category with users who may not have an interest in actual collaboration. In other words, we shouldn't care if you fix disambiguation links per se, but rather we care if you are willing to collaborate in areas associated with broken disambiguation links should the need arise. A rename to something better reflecting that would be good enough, but that has potential to introduce miscategorization for the reasons already mentioned, although it would be a better step than keeping as-is. I still think deletion is a cleaner option with simultaneous creation for a category name that better reflects the collaborative nature of the participants, but a rename to something would be reasonable as well. Additionally, and perhaps more importantly, it sounds like this category is essentially for participants of
1516:. I agree we need categories for BBC journalists associated with other UK parties, although there don't appear to be as many examples (and in the case of some parties there will possibly be no entries at all and so no category). As for NARROWCAT, that states "intersection categories should only be created when both parent categories are very large and similar intersections can be made for related categories". Clearly as "the world's oldest national broadcasting organisation and the largest broadcaster in the world by number of employees" the number of notable BBC journalists is very large, and similarly both the Labour and Conservative Parties have largely dominated UK politics and are also very well established and thus we have huge numbers of notable people associated with them too.-- 1581:
significant names from 50-60 years ago and I haven't gone back that far yet. I'm currently looking into possible categories for other parties, I haven't found enough for the Lib Dems yet and nothing at all for UKIP, though surprisingly for a party that's only had sucess quite recently there's already enough for a SNP category. And yes I am the creator of this category too, though I never received a notification about this discussion which I have to say is rather disappointing and a fairly fundamental part of the process. Seeing as we've mentioned the Australian versions I'll notify the creator of those of this discussion so they can provide their input and aren't at risk of being left out too.--
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see their very membership of a party as a source of controversy and often a reason for contesting their appointment, thus again making it defining. In particular, there have been cases where party membership has continued despite the individual being appointed to a senior BBC role and in some cases they've been forced to cease their membership once this fact has emerged. I guess you may have a point in that party membership isn't automatically defining, but those would typically be the cases where we can't even source said membership becasue it hasn't been considered notable enough for coverage --
1890:-- I am troubled by this category (and the equivalent Tory one). The BBC is required by its charter to be impartial. This means that this feels like an ATTACK category, implying that the journalists are departing from that impartiality, while at BBC. Inevitably some journalists will be at some stage of their career involved with one party or the other. Equally inevitably, they will reflect their political beliefs in their journalism. A few of the people in this category are not journalists (or at least not primarily so), hence begin with a 2416:
some capacity other than actually fixing links (maybe just being involved in policy discussions on the project side). Comparing these lists, there are 611 editors unique to the fixer category, 159 unique to the WikiProject category, and 39 in both. I actually didn't realize that I wasn't in the second, and just added myself now. Since membership in these categories is self-selected, I would prefer to poll the members to see what their preference is, but that would require asking 770 people, which might be a mess.
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only in the sense of not restricting their performance rosters exclusively to local musicians. Most music festivals that exist at all invite "international" musicians, so the diversity of performer nationalities is not a defining characteristic of a festival -- so this should be renamed to make its intended purpose clearer. I've already purged it of inappropriate entries.
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academically, in that undue influence of political parties in such broadcasters has been notable at times throughout history and that's a major issue seeing as these broadcasters typically take public funds in exchange for a legal obligation to be completely impartial (and in the case of the BBC they are even able to imprison people for non-payment).--
602:. I would appreciate it if others could assist in nominating the 11th, 12th, 13th, 14th and 15th centuries. It's too tedious to do it all by myself. It's just about tenable that by the 16th century that sufficient counts exist to justify "by year" twigs. Personally I think that "by decade" is perfectly adequate for the whole tree. 1447:. There are no comparable categories for BBC journalists associated with other organisations, nor would they be useful if there were. Given the very specific scope of the category it also seems possible that this is a category created to make a political point, rather than to identify a useful categorisation. 1508:
criticises some categories of this type for either leaving the criteria unstated or being arbitrary. Neither concern applies in this case whatsoever, the category clearly states "This category lists BBC journalists who have worked for or been members of the Labour Party (UK)". Furthermore, we already
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I'm ambivalent about a merge. The current structure contains WikiProject members as a subcategory of all disambiguation-fixers, which I think is an appropriate subcategorization. In theory, someone can be a dab fixer without being a member of the WikiProject, or can be involved in the WikiProject in
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If the journalists have worked for the parties in question, which is the case in 80-90% of the entries, then that is indeed defining. Similarly, if they've engaged in significant party-political activism that's had coverage in reliable sources then that can be defining too. Finally, in some cases we
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internationally, such as touring festivals or events that move around from country to country every year rather than staying in one place -- but just like international film festivals, it's also been significantly misused to overcategorize festivals that are held in one place and are "international"
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I am concerned that you may be seriously underestimating the potential complexity of disambiguation problems. I invite you to actually do some work with the project for a while, to learn more about this. Here are some examples of things that might come up, for which this category provides a useful
629:, that seems pretty confusing, especially for the closing administrator of the other discussion. And by the way 2, I'm not sure which banner editor is being referred to in the rationale of this nomination, the first few category creators that I checked are still active. Not that it really matters. 2392:
A category to group users for those reasons does indeed seem like it could foster collaboration. My problem I suppose then comes from the literal interpretation of the category name - Some users merely see which categories apply to them looking no further than the title. This harms the ability to
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It's very condescending of you to assume that I'm missing some sort of rationale for the existence of this category. I've been dealing with user categories for over a decade on Knowledge (XXG) and there's nothing special about this category or the rationale as to why it should be kept or deleted
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disambiguation links that need to be fixed (the most I have ever seen from such a move was about 18,000). In that case, as many disambiguators as can be found may be needed, particularly if the incoming links are diverse, as happens when the previous article has been split into multiple topics.
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An editor decides to move an existing page with incoming links to create a disambiguation page at that title. Maybe this is a poorly thought out undiscussed move, and should be reverted. Maybe this is pursuant to community consensus. Either way, suddenly you have hundreds or thousands of new
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Yes, I've created that today to address the concerns about the lack of balance as stated above. I haven't been able to find too many entries for Conservatives yet, but they are mostly all reasonably high profile names and so already make a worthwhile category. Also, I'm sure there are some
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The only examples of these categories on Knowledge (XXG) concern state-type broadcasters. Thus we're not creating "journalists from X organisation associated with Y political party", simply journalists from X state broadcaster associated with Y political party. This is far more significant
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to seek out a user in that category? Other than the obvious "I think something should be fixed on this disambiguation page" which I already pointed out would be far faster to just fix yourself than to go seek out a user from this category (unless you are disagreeing with that premise?).
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from any number of other similar categories. Perhaps you would enlighten us as to how you feel it benefits Knowledge (XXG) to group users into this user category then? Why might someone say to themselves "Hey, I think ______ needs to be done. I'm going to go head over to
1620:, not total non-committal refusal to actually have any opinions at all, so if a journalist (whether affiliated with the Conservatives or Labour or the Greens or whatever) is unprofessional enough to let bias show in their reporting, that's on them as an individual, 1174:
it's a new category and as legitimate as "Wikipedians who drink tea" "Wikipedians who own pets" "Wikipedians who are parents" none of these really aid collaboration. As it's a new category, not many people use it as of yet, but should do so after it's discovered at
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The category header says "journalists who have worked for or been members of the Labour Party (UK)". But is it really defining that someone once had a data-entry job with the party? Or that they were briefly an inactive member as a student a few decades
2281:- I do not see how it is useful to group users in this category. You could fix a disambiguation page yourself in less time than it would take to look through this category and request from someone in the category to fix something you found a mistake on. 1465:
per nom. Seems a trivial intersection (most don't mention one or both "facts" in the lead of the article) and I don't think starting a category scheme of journalists from X organisation associated with Y policitial party is a very good idea.
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becomes redundant. As for the mergers, there are just not enough entries to justify their existence. They are just twigs created by an over-zealous editor who is now banned. This is just a sample, a toe in the water. The list can be found
1697:? The Labour Party may employ one or 2 reporters for its party newsletter, but AFAICS none of the categ's current contents are in that group. Other than those rare cases, UK political parties don't employ people to work as journalists. -- 2243:. Individual experiences may vary, but I think that the editors who participate in this project tend to do more than just repair links, since sometimes a fix to the disambiguation page itself is required to resolve a family of errors. 804:
Ambiguous name. This category is intended for people who support the establishment of small-r republican government in a monarchy, but we end up having to constantly monitor it for the incorrect addition of people who really belong in
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An editor comes across any of the several hundred "unfixable" disambiguation links, for which substantial additional research would be required to figure out the correct answer, and would like a more seasoned hand to take a shot at
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An editor can not find the link reported to be in the text of the page. Maybe it is being called there by a template, or a module being called by a template, or from a Wikidata entry. An expert would know how to check for these
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misinterpretation of smallcat as these form part of a larger series of establishments by country and by year. The very earliest members may merit merging to decade level but the later years should be kept at the year level.
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This started as a nomination to remove the word "help", which is unnecessary in this context. However, the proposed name is more precise and consistent with the language used by the userbox that populates this category:
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An editor decides to sponsor a one-day disambiguation fixing contest with a prize to be awarded by the Wikimedia Foundation, and would like to reach out to self-identified disambiguators to inform them of this
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These are some major possibilities which would make the category useful. Of course, there is also the possible interest of disambiguators in being so categorized, which is itself a good reason to maintain it.
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We do not do the overlap of occupation, employer and political affiliation. We do not categorize by every possible way to think of matching things, even if some of them could at times be somewhat noted.
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That is a fair comment, after all it may be better to delete the nominated category and start a new Labour party spin doctors category from scratch (if there is sufficient content for it).
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An editor is alerted that a page they have created contains dozens and dozens of disambiguation links on the page, and does not even know where to start to fix that many.
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Holy crap, I created that category? I entirely forgot about that! I would be fine with removing "help" as unnecessary, but the category name tracks the project name,
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already exists. Do you think that there is anything worthwhile distinguishing in this category vis a vis the Wikiproject category? Would you oppose a merge?
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journalists, this may apply to all journalists. Second, 'associated with' is too vague, but 'worked for' may be fine. So turn this into
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I find it a bit ironic that you cite multiple categories that have been deleted as a rationale to keep this.
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is not complete. There's a difference between discussing policy and implementing existing policy.
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to 'fix'. One certainly does not wish to be found on the wrong side of, or sitting on,
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A new nomination which actually did what was claimed might have a different outcome. --
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for whom this is clearly defining. Note that I haven't checked how often this occurs.
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BrownHairedGirl
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15:22, 6 February 2018 (UTC)
Category:International music festivals
Category:Music festivals staged internationally
Category:International film festivals
Bearcat
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Laurel Lodged
Category:Years in the Holy Roman Empire
Category:Years in the Holy Roman Empire
Category:Years of the 10th century in the Holy Roman Empire
Category:Years of the 11th century in the Holy Roman Empire
BrownHairedGirl
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16:04, 6 February 2018 (UTC)
Category:Years in the Holy Roman Empire

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