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We could, however, created an article on the mentioned proxy conflicts (if you take a look at the Yemeni Civil War you can see that both the United States and North Korea had supported the Hadi forces and the Houthi forces respectively) but as for the United
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that you've used to populate the category. Doesn't the
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person. You don't need to be angry or extremely upset, you will make it worse. Just take a look at the supporters in the combatants section of the conflicts mentioned and you can see their names with the right sources (and take a look at definition of a proxy war). This is the main reason why I
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There is no offense to you as creator of these categories. I know they were created in good faith. I appreciate the input you bring to the project. However, in this case as in other cases before, I think that your enthousiam got you a little carried away. Not everything is good material for a
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per nom, possibly listify. Merging will not be needed since the articles are already in a religious buildings category of that religion. Besides the "by location" subcats are meant to be container categories so they are not an appropriate merge target.
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was an art school founded in Berlin in 1902, re-established in London in 1937 after persecution by the Nazis, which closed at the outbreak of World War II. Alumni of both instances of the school are currently found at
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