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would be more fit for a talk page in the article realm? Which leads me back again to the core issue: If your arguments are true, why isn't this reflected in the article realm? Wouldn't you too agree that it would give your arguments more credit, if that was the case, against hesitation about deviating
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I see what you mean and I too regret that. Your arguments may be valid. I am open to that. Thanks for being the first user giving examples in this discussion. However, unfortunately, uncertainties remain. Now, I could provide hesitation about your examples, but doesn't it seem like that discussion
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I'm afraid that it is clear to anyone even remotedly acquanted with this discussion that bursting a few quotes from a selection of
English encyclopedias is kind of a 1A) refutable entry into a discussion with exchanged arguments of a length surpassing the Old Testament by now. A discussion part of
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Italian Knowledge (XXG) only 3 presidents of the Province of Rome have an article, of which only 1
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in titles. Why category renaming requests seem to attract more discussion than article renaming requests, I cannot really explain, although having a central venue for discussion certainly play a part. To help you, I can only quote how several prominent
English dictionaries define
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Province of Rome, thus it was placed in the Italian counterpart. However, the en version did not have a trace of that part of history (the province was founded in 1920s, so Roman era history is not that relevant)
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Redirects are not the starting point for
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Sorry. You are probably right and I mistaken. However, could you please point to from where your assertion of category consensuns stems from article realm consensus here (unless you argue it should be the other way around)?
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and I fail to understand your arguments for why there ought to be a a separate taxonomy in the category realm, would you mind referring to where in the article realm your points are stated, to give an idea, please?
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1. The faith, practice, and church order of the Roman
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Sorry, I am not updated on this. Who is described as adhering to
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