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481:. However it was intended to apply to those of Jewish descent who practise other (or indeed no) religions (The rubric on the category reads 'People of ethnic Jewish descent who do not profess Judaism'). Unless the title is changed, however, it should also logically include those who practise the Jewish religion itself (I suppose 220:. There is no need such category. Maybe there is even no need such "list of monotypic genera", but if somebody wants to have such list, he/she can write such list and at least it will be referenced. There are even mistakes in this category: for example there is Aardvark in the category, but there are also more species listed in 520:. On grounds of logical perfection and absolute clarity, Smerus has a point ... but I don't think that the rename is necessary. The "of Jewish descent" is superfluous for people who are themselves Jewish, so it should be evident to readers and editors that Jewish people don't belong in here. Similarly, 202:
Are these with only one species, only one extant species, or only one known species in the paleontological/historical record? (ie. in order to have a genus, it would have to have evolved from another genus, and thus may have unknown predecessor species in the same genus as itself, unless those are
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So why not await the afd conclusions? If the afds produce 1 keep (which would be a surprise), then this is a keep, and if they are both delete, this is an immediate delete; so there is no need to bring it here.
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Jews of Jewish descent would be a pointless category, since most practising Jews are. Christians of Jewish descent, etc, is worth having, as are Jewish atheists, etc. The proposed addition is pointless.
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the deletion, however, as I do see navigational value, but that could just be personal preference. Should a deletion proposal be put forward, it should probably be for the main category of
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I think you've missed my point here.I am not proposing a category for Jews of Jewish descent. I am proposing clarification of an exisiting category so as to avoid such an anomaly.--
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Er, many people of Jewish (ethnic) descent are Jewish (religious), viz., virtually the entire community of practising Jews. But thansk anyway for agreeing on the oxymoronic
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The current name means "mammal species without subspecies" rather than "mammal genera with only one species", the intended meaning. Thus, it should at least be renamed to
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rather than adherents of Judaism (the religion), and that renaming is not necessary to indicate that a dedicated subcategory for people who are of Jewish descent
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Umm, yes, virtually the entire community of practising Jews are indeed of Jewish descent. But nearly all Japanese people are of Japanese descent, yet we have a
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Well, are they in fact different? How so? An atheist may be a Jew by ethnicity, but cannot (by definition) be a Jew by religion. (There is no category
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My opinion is - Darling Basin and Upper Murray Basin (upward confluence of both) are subbasin of Murray Basin (here called Murray-Darling Basin).
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To clarify the category's purpose for anyone who is unsure, I suggest that it is quite sufficient to put a headnote on the category page. --
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and recreate as per BrownHairedGirl's suggestion. "Murray-Darling basin" is the authoritative name. --
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doesn't include people who still live in Scandianvia -- they are called Scandinavians.
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To reflect the common name of the basin and to be consistent with the main article -
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per Orderinchaos. The Australian government does not run a school system. --
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by state/territory too, as they (all five!) are primary schools.
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the last name of the character is also spelt "Lektor".
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Index

Knowledge:Categories for discussion
Log
March 19
March 21
deletion review
Category:Monotypic mammal genera
Monotypic genera
Monotypic animal genera
Black Falcon
05:35, 5 April 2010 (UTC)
Category:Monotypic mammals
edit
talk
history
links
watch
logs
Category:Monotypic mammal genera
Ucucha
23:09, 20 March 2010 (UTC)
Category:monotypic genera
Category:monotypic fungi genera
Reade
talk
23:41, 20 March 2010 (UTC)
65.94.252.177
talk
04:00, 21 March 2010 (UTC)
Orycteropus
Category:Monotypic animal genera

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