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1069:. The first problem (definition) stems from the fact that the second sentence of the userbox conflicts with the first sentence. The second problem (scope) is that grouping users by their support for a particular form of government—a characteristic which does not reflect any particular, identifiable interest, ability, skill, knowledge or understanding—does not help to facilitate encyclopedic collaboration between users. See 884:- According to our Wiktionary definition, a curmudgeon is "An ill-tempered (and frequently old) person full of stubborn ideas or opinions.". This is an unencyclopedic category that can't possibly be used for collaboration. It does not help the encyclopedia in any foreseeable way to group such users together in a category. 140:
on not using Arab Israeli or Israeli Arabs in category name. Arab Israeli or Israeli Arab is a political term rejected many Arabs in Israel. Some call themselves Palestinian citizens of Israel, some 48 Arabs, some 48 Palestinians etc. By renaming these categories, we are using a neutral term rather
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seems to be identical to this category. If this is deleted, that one almost certainly should be as well, but that one isn't tagged. We could tag it now, add it to the discussion, and let the discussion run longer, or we can just nominate it. Note that it wouldn't be G4-able since it was created
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is being too pedantic. With Israel normally only accepting Jewish immigrants, it is unlikely that many Arabs of these types live in Israel proper without being citizens. Strictly he is right in saying that the categories are not the same, but the degree of non-intersection between the present
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per nom and Bearcat. This does nothing to serve the purpose of facilitating collaboration on an encyclopedia. "Round vs. oval toilet design preference, brand of condom, or most comfortable type of underwear" etc. are not what I would call encyclopedic issues in need of collaboration among
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On further thinking, this category could have beneficial use (eg. for locating and studying the curmudgeons, to find ways to help support the community of editors), but it is hopelessly incomplete, and tracking people under this label without their consent would be a bad thing.
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last contribution or do whatever is necessary to recover the out of process action. This may be a reverse merge from the new categories, followed by a rename back to it. The practice is that alumni of merged or renamed colleges are treated as alumni of the successor college.
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There could be a benefit from allowing wikipedians to associate according to their challenges, for mutual support, and I reject the notion that "unencyclopedic" is an argument applicable to user-categories even if we ignore that "unencyclopedic" is specious. But
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when they plainly shouldn't. Simply removing the quotation marks from this page's name will solve that problem. What's more, since this category is populated by a template, moving all of the articles will require a single edit.
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The emptying was out of process, but the nominator has apologized, and the result would be to move the articles to the "University" categories anyhow. So no need for bureaucracy for bureaucracy's sake. (Just don't do it again,
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This userbox-populated user category—for users who "in an ideal world, ... would favour an Absolute Theocratic Monarchy, much like the Papacy," although "this ... may not reflect this user's actual beliefs"—is
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with no fix or signs of work. Renaming seems the best solution here. "excessive" in the hidden maintenance category is OK. Editors concerned about what normal readers see can suggest changes to the displayed
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Most maintenance categories are POV and OR; you won't find a reliable source that says that an article (or its subject!) needs to be wikified or to have more references added, for example.
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per established consensus that "Wikipedian" categories are only for groupings which specifically serve the purpose of facilitating collaboration on encyclopedic subjects. Also
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which currently says "may contain an excessive number of suggestions" (I would prefer "links" over "suggestions" but that's another matter).
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is fine, POV doesn't apply outside mainspace and I'm fairly certain that even "needs cleanup" is POV- our maintenance tags have to be.
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You should not have emptied these out of process. By deleting the categories instead of moving them, we are losing information.--
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since that is what it was claiming to be. Since then, someone has clarified this by changing the new article to a redirect to
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version of the Help Desk, the quotation marks in the category name are inappropriately placing some of the subcategories in
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template. Whether that userbox is inappropriate or not I'll leave to others with experience in that area. —
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per nom. The problem with special characters in page names in {{PAGESINCAT:{{PAGENAME}}}} is in the old
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The following is an archived discussion concerning one or more categories.
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The following is an archived discussion concerning one or more categories.
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As you can see at the "Categories improperly up for speedy" section of
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Also, I've got a raging clue that the template should be userfied.
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Then what name do you propose? Because the current format is POV.
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It looks to me like a bit of vote-stacking is going on.
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Knowledge (XXG):Categories for discussion
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Category:Arab Christians in Israel
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04:03, 23 October 2010 (UTC)
sonia
10:43, 26 October 2010 (UTC)
Category:Arab citizens of Israel who are footballers
TM
15:38, 26 October 2010 (UTC)
HupHollandHup
Peterkingiron
talk
21:01, 29 October 2010 (UTC)
deletion review
deletion review

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