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2235:. The category does not attempt to list the "99% of this produced" (the list of major producers will be a blend of "top agro" and "top chemical" lists for each region). It shies away from mainstream manufacturing technologies, instead listing emerging, experimental processes ("manure? I hate manure!"). Wood alcohol is commonplace outside of North America, but it is unusual for the U.S. market, thus 920: 818: 2024:. This appears to be another of those categories related to a JEL code. Based on the definition there, this is in the area of Business administration and business economics; marketing; with the sub classification being business administration further subdivided into corporate culture. I am not convinced that this is the correct way to classify articles. 1599:, per PeterIronKing comments. Disambiguation only when required is the norm, aside from those for the States. Actually a discussion on alterating the place name naming convention for Australia is nearing a close and it looks very much that the new convention (for article pages) is only to disambiguate where necessary 2243:(which is lightyears larger in the ethanol market) is not. I don't care much about merging, but in case of a merge decision the category must be repopulated with significant ethanol producers. Right now it's "fringe technology", after merge it should be "mainstream technology" in the first place. 1689:
And there is no consensus to change it. If you look at the various discussions, leaving the names to match the current guideline seems to have the most support. The one exception I am aware of was moving a town dabbed with NSW, I think, to undabbed. But the reason there was that the town was
1532:. While using common sense is not appropriate for Knowledge (XXG) naming purposes, it does put into context your claim that Australians routinely use , outside of Knowledge (XXG). They just don't. If I was to follow your postal analogy, I would have the Toowoomba article at 1353:
so all subcats should use the same convention (in the interests of simplicity). (For US categories cfd has decided upon the 'city, state' format regardless of the article name. For Canada, dabs have been removed from both articles and categories if there is no ambiguity.)
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People may be normal, but missing persons is clearly the term in common use. We don't always follow the parents when there is a good reason to deviate. I'm thinking this is one of those cases. Are there any 'missing people' divisions in police departments?
1452:. It is normal for Australian cities to be suffixed by the state. A very large number of Australian cities do not have unique names Australia wide, let alone internationally, but I think city names are unique within an Australian state/territory. -- 1668: 1322:. No disambiguation is required for this category; whilst the convention for Australian towns and localities is compulsory disambiguation by name of state this is not the case when carried through to categories where many (eg 1536:! Mandatory disambiguation is a massive overreaction to a problem that barely exists. The rest of the world, with the exception on the US (and Canada to some extent) cope just fine without it. -- 08:39, 3 August 2010 (UTC) 1551:. Using formal naming of a city is not a massive thing. Cities should generally be specified by state, province, or by England, Wales, Scotland, Northern Ireland, or Ireland. For others, by country is appropriate. -- 2047:
is a well known concept, and the articles are what one would expect to find. The parent categories look right to me as well. All in all, one of those rare occasions when Mac/Nopetro got something right. I just added a
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Ararat: there is Mount Ararat (probably Turkey), where Noah's Ark lodged. We may not have a category for people from it, but it is the primary use of Ararat. Similarly, are you sure there is no other Albury?
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common practice to use the state name when referring to a populated place in Australia. Even where multiple places with the same name exist, context is usually sufficient to identify the one in mind. The
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It is common practice when out of state, perhaps with the exception of very famous cities, when it is only common practice when out of the country. Knowledge (XXG) is generally out of Australia.
2216:. Deletion should also be on the table since most if not all of the members here are included based on the feedstocks they are using. That should not be a defining characteristic for a company. 366:- "disappeared" implies to me that there was action taken to make the person disappear which is not true in all cases. Currently "Missing people" is a redirect to this category. There was a 1499:. We specify the state, even though the state is redundant with the postcode. Is Australia, we consider the state to be important, and it is frequently required for disambiguation. -- 1473:
Do you mean normal on Knowledge (XXG) or normal in general. I can assure you that Knowledge (XXG) is the only place where appending the state name to the town is normal in Australia. --
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the discussions Mayumashu is referring have come to no conclusion nor do they appear to be reaching the any form on "new" convention it is inappropriate to suggest such a claim.
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I don't see any reason why this should be the only category on Knowledge (XXG) that uses "persons" instead of "people" (the only one currently is up for renaming).
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does not call Henty, "Henty, New South Wales"; like most sane Australians it relies on common sense on the part of its readers to assume they are not referring to
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link, so I'm not sure it requires further explanation. As for the JEL tag, that was only added recently, so it's entirely peripheral to this discussion.
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years ago suggesting a rename to "People who disappeared" which closed no consensus. If that name or another name is preferred, I'm good.
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is a definite keep. Is the nom suggesting that subcats should depart from the naming of both the head article and the parent category
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to accord with outcome for "Disappeared people". I can think of two reasons for disappearance, murdered by rivals or run-away.
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and others. If there's a merge it should be the other way around, opening up the voice teachers category for future use.
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discussion. That discussion recommend that we also consider merging this in, so starting that discussion.
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phycically in two states. So the disambguation was just wrong.
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Index

Knowledge (XXG):Categories for discussion
Log
July 30
August 1
deletion review
Courcelles
00:21, 8 August 2010 (UTC)
Category:Disappeared ships
Category:Missing ships
Are You The Cow Of Pain?
talk
23:01, 31 July 2010 (UTC)
SmokeyJoe
talk
02:55, 1 August 2010 (UTC)
Peterkingiron
talk
15:46, 2 August 2010 (UTC)
deletion review
deletion review
Courcelles
02:18, 8 August 2010 (UTC)
Category:Disappeared mobsters
Category:Missing mobsters
Category:Mobsters who went missing
Are You The Cow Of Pain?
talk
22:57, 31 July 2010 (UTC)
Peterkingiron
talk

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