955:-- I looked at two articles on South Asians, who only completed high school education. For pre-1850 scientists, I do not think that relevant degrees were available, as most univerities mainly taught a classical syllabus. I am however aware that Robert Plot taught chemistry at Oxford in the 17th century and Black at Edinburgh in the 18th. One of those I read about was a brilliant mathematician who was given a Cambridge Fellowship. The problem is probably one of where to draw the boundary.
994:. This is way too vague and also confusing now the idea that "Traditional higher education means a university masters degree". As recent as 50 years ago when I was at Oxford there were very many academics with the highest honours, such as Fellow of the Royal Scoiety, who only had a first degree (although to confuse matters that is a MA). There are still a few, although possibly not in science. --
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Correct, how you perceive this is based on where you live. I live in an unincorporated community which is not a city and not a municipality but it can be considered as a settlement based on how we use that in categories.
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I live in a township, but I still manage to know what to fill in when an application asks for my city / state / ZIP code. "Municipality" or "settlement" might be more correct, but also more awkward and unfamiliar.
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