773:. The current name reads as "Wikipedians with BULLSHIT degrees" in British English and is probably unacceptable to most British contributors. There has been discussion on the talk page since 2008 about renaming this category, but no action that I can see. I have removed myself from this category until some acceptable adjustment is implemented. The suggested new name is inclusive of all 8 identified abbreviations of
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Business", etc., but this is entirely unuseful as-is. If not deleted or turned into a parent category, I would probably agree with the rename in order to match the article name,
869:: This proposal is about BS, and _not_ about BA. However, BA = Bachelor of Arts on both sides of the Atlantic (as well as British Airways which doesn't award degrees anyway?); BSc = Bachelor of Science in the UK; BS = either Bachelor of Science in the USA or BULLSHIT in the UK. Just looking for a little mid-Atlantic agreement here.
1619:: The vague word "Initial" does not "better identif the purpose" since it does not indicate whether the USAF installations are only those on the day the USAF was formed, those part of the USAF in September 1947, or those initial USAF installations that became part of the USAF after September 1947.
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a dry area? This might be salvageable, but deletion and then recreation with a better name and objective inclusion criteria is likely the smarter way to go. My guess is that inclusion criteria should be based on geographic features and not arbitrary criteria. So does
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1657:: "Initial" is an inappropriate term for the title since initial USAF installations after September 1947 are not included in the category, and identifying the specific timeperiod scope of the category is much better than the term "initial".
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1145:- Whole a BA/BS in some specific subject related to an encyclopedia may be useful, a category like this one (unless as a parent-only categorey) serves no such purpose.
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