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272:, the text of that article does not mention what the lyrics are about, therefore could only be added because the word "bridge" appears in the title. This is NOT what the category name suggests. This proves in the specific, and in the general, too, that "Songs about bridges" is not only non-defining but misleading too. -- 1679:
Fair enough. Can you point to the policy (or other discussion) describing this? Depending upon how this is enacted, it may reduce the useful functionality of the encyclopaedia, even if it is more correct (i.e. I can see the idea of "once a RAAF Base, always a RAAF Base", but how then do you
1723:, contra the nom I don't think it's correct that we are getting rid of all such categories or that we should be. That would simply make the category system far less useful in many instances, such as here where the bases are "former" because they don't exist. One can imagine the mess 346:
and the present nomination, be classified as Songs about Mississippi, Songs about Rivers, Songs about news, Songs about apple pie, Songs about preachers, Songs about Tupelo and Songs about paternal deaths. Hence why categories should be significant or defining and
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once again, an "about" category. Is there a genre "bridge songs", no one has shown that there is, so what's included is wholly arbitrary: what's a song about, how much about it must the song be, and what reliable sources tell us that its at least that much?
1049:. In any case, I fail to see how being relevant as a characterization of the ride makes it defining. How is this encyclopedic as opposed to something that belongs in a travel guide to aid a park attendee to navigate easier or more quickly in a park? 1486:. This category is intended to contain college football awards that are awarded to members of a specific college football team/program; not to be confused with conference or national awards that are awarded to teams/programs at large. 1753:
Yeah -- I'm unstriking my Keep on your suggestion this not consensus, and you've pointed to the sorts of examples I was thinking of when suggesting this would "reduce the useful functionality of the encyclopaedia".
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It's a bit of a "meh" with the biggest issue being that it will require code digging rather than a straight 'bot run if changed. The category is maintained by parser function in the navboxes proper or a sub-page. -
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Unneeded category that falls under the "temporal seperation categories" thing we're discouraging, and that is also one things would be "in flux" passing through. In a nutshell: unneeded and unnecessary OC.
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Per many other "navigational boxes" changes. This, however, is a tracking category for a particular project, and may not be subject to the same requirements. If folks object, this can stay the way it is.--
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actually references a bridge, but the song is emphatically not about a bridge, the other 3 members refer to a bridge in a metaphysical way, so therefore are not about bridges in the first place.
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per nom. I would say keeping a category redirect would be fine. Or it could be a disambiguation category if there are other categories that could be so abbreviated.
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I'm not sure if there's a specific note or specific discussion that establishes this - it's consensus established over the course of many CfD discussions. -
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distinguish active bases from inactive ones? -- presumably only in lists and articles, and yet it seems to be a perfectly acceptable use of cats to me... ).
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to the parent category and have done a quick run through similar categories for missing categorisation of the same type. It should be better now.
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In addition to this there is, taking Ode to Billy Joe as an example, if this category stands, then the song, could be in addition, to
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were merged back into it. I can't think of a possible benefit to doing that, or getting rid of similarly useful categories like
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Another "former" category that should be merged into its parent, as "present"/"former" aren't categorisations we go for.
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has this distinction nor do they needs. Therefore I propose this category be merged up into its parent category
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amongst other guidelines. There are 5 members to this category, of which only one is actually about a bridge,
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Not sure about "demolished", but the "defunct"/"former"/etc. is something we're trying to phase out. That
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I doubt that this category is helpful in collaberation for creating an encyclopedia, except possibly as
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as a feature that controls access time to rides for single riders. Note that this is a version of
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the song as having the characteristic—not just mention it in passing or for completeness).
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I note that another editor has been adding members to this category, one of which is
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No consensus to merge; rename to spell out acronym and fix capitalisations
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and rename with correct capitalization, as per all the other entries at
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It seems easy to find independent discussion of bridges in song such as
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since that performs the same function but on a more limited basis.
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might be about a bridge, but the article makes no such claim.)
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Index

Knowledge (XXG):Categories for discussion
Log
December 3
December 5
talk page
deletion review
Good Ol’factory
08:49, 13 December 2011 (UTC)
Category:Media documenting survival skills
Category:Survival skills media
Alan Liefting
talk
19:11, 4 December 2011 (UTC)
talk page
deletion review
talk page
deletion review
Good Ol’factory
08:48, 13 December 2011 (UTC)
Category:Songs about bridges
edit
talk
history
links
watch
logs
Knowledge (XXG) is not an indiscriminate collection of information
London Bridge Is Falling Down
Ode to Billie Joe
Richhoncho

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