Knowledge:Categories for discussion/Log/2012 May 22

3379:, the title name should be able to stand alone (with consideration to verifiability), and the included members of the category need to be consistent with the title. When a subject is part of the category (for example sake, lets randomly take Libre knowledge), Verifiability, No original research and Neutral point of view need to match. Currently, with Open methodologies, it does not. With Open source philosophy, it would be in the same boat. Take, Libre knowledge example. Should it be included as an Open source philosophy? what do we mean with Open source philosophy and what does we base that definition on? Does this then follow V, OR, NPOV? This is why this CFD section exist. We need to remove the confusion and the OR. 4747:- I checked about ten articles and noticed two patterns: (1) holding a high school record recognized by NFHS is a significant fact worthy of mention in the body of an article; and (2) it is usually just an early accomplishment in a sports career that yields more noteworthy achievements. This leads me to conclude that, in the context of a sportsperson's life as a whole, the characteristic is not particularly defining. Furthermore, the relatively narrow scope of this category – a grouping of individuals of one nationality (American) who achieve something (a record) in one field (sports) at a particular stage in life (high school) – and the fact that is seems to be based on one organization's published list suggest (see 4893:. Second, the realignment drama of the last several years should indicate that this scheme will prove unsustainable for anything beyond sports categories themselves. Membership in a conference is no longer any guide to geography, size, or any other natural measure of similarity between institutions, if it ever was. Third, as for the cultural position of the Ancient Eight, the Ivy League still derives its reputation from the elite status of its members, rather than the members becoming recognized as elite because of their participation as an Ivy. Yes, even Cornell. :) So what purpose does the category serve except to add an extra navigational layer? - 1190:

Polish articles and they seemed to be about people who had become Polish, having fought in WWI. The WWII categories are more difficult, but Lithuania was a state until it was forceably incorporated in USSR. USSR was (at least nominally) a union and each citizen had an internal nationality, which might be Ukranian, Tartar, Uzbek, or Russian (for exmaple); and how are we to categorise Ukranians who fought in German pay? Those who became British POWs were employed on mine-clearance after the war and then allowed to settle in the West (e.g. UK). This is a case of some one trying to use the category system to make life much simpler than it in fact was.

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information. Some people prefer one, some the other---I normally prefers to browse by using lists, but to find something specific by using categories. Others work differently. That someone or something is in multiple categories is no harm whatsoever; just as with articles, we're not paper.With something chronological that is inherently continuous there can be a question where to draw the line: but the successive parliaments are discrete, and always have been.

5326:(changing my !vote). Like Black Falcon, I have changed my mind about this one. I still agree that Ivy League is a generic term for "prominent east coast university", but the more I look at this one the more I see problems. The critical issue for me is that the generic usage of "Ivy League" clearly has a wider scope than the sporting league itself, so any inclusion criteria will be arbitrary or subjective; both of those attributes are deprecated in 4986:, in part per DGG. I think that the parallels to the Big Ten Conference category, whose deletion I support, are misplaced. Most people outside the United States, and perhaps even most people within the United States who lack an interest in college sports, probably will not be familiar with the Big 10 or the institutions that constitute it. It is more likely, I think, that they will recognize the Ivy League and its member institutions. 4957:. Several editors there have objected to the category on the grounds that it categorizes all alumni via a sports conference category, which may be of limited relevance to a large percentage of the articles so categorized. There's also the issue of retroactive terminology application to those who attended prior to the invention of the terminology (in the case of Harvard, ~300 years' worth of alumni). 5763:, which the nominator should have done, but didn't. However, a Wikiproject's talk page will reach only some of the editors active in that area, whereas the category page will be seen by a much wider number of editors. For proper notification, the categories should be tagged ... and doing so is not a particularly difficult task for a simple delete nomination like this. All you gotta do is paste 159:

to the category is rather "clunky" and goes against convention. That could be fixed with a rename but even though I am keen on kategories I just don't like it.... I had previously removed the cat description of "This category houses national affiliates of the IPPF and people associated with them." and removed seven bio articticle from the category. That is not how categorisation is done. --

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form of phrase or an other. The title we use need to be verifiable for each and every entry we add to the category. It need to be something which exist in reliable sources of those articles. It need to be common. It need to be precise. It need to be consistent. It is not enough that 89 (.0001) of 607,000 books about open source software has the phrase open movement in it.

5309:. I still think that, for most people, the label 'Ivy League' refers to more than just an athletic conference. It reflects a certain perception about the prestige of and quality of education received at those universities, as well as a certain image of the tradition and history rooted in those institutions. It is virtually synonymous with the idea of the educated elite. 4643:? Although these performances carry much importance in the US, I would argue that national high school national records are pretty much non-notable in all other countries. This limits the category (seeing as we shouldn't really create categories for which no primary topic article is notable), so it would be better to focus the category to just the American ones. 3729:, it is based on the philosophical approach - whether open source, open data, open content - the philosophy underlying is similar. thus, this category should be kept, with no prejudice to a rename in the future if the literature settles on a perfect name. But for now, Open movements or open methodologies or even open source are all reasonable and sourced.-- 3439:. Doing some early checks, it does look to be in use in reliable sources (matching what I am after), through it is a bit vague in scope. Still, I would rather have it called that than open source. Doing some google searching on "openness" plus members of the category, and we do find most with reasonable number of hits, clearly a good sign for that name. 3721: 3598:; especially given recent clean up of the software categories. These methodologies do not just share the word open, they all share a philosophy of open access to information, whether through publishing of data sets, releasing of government documents, or ability to see source code. In the literature - take a book like this 3282:. We could rename Open methodologies as Free and open source methodologies/concepts, as that would eliminate the above confusion, but it would at the same time suffer the same issue by being a term not existing outside Knowledge. On the talk page of the nav-box, I suggested the name Free and open source communities, as it 6013:

including all UK Members of Parliament since 1801 would be so vast as to be utterly useless. At present MPs are sub-categorised by their political party, by the place they represented, and chronologically by the Parliament in which they served. This is a sensible and useful system which should not be

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is in 14 subcategories of the parent category. This is excessive. He may (or may not, I have not checked) be the extreme, but lots of people are in multiple categories. The rate of reelection to Parliament is high enough it would seem that this categories would better function as lists. There are

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per BHG. To expand on that reason, Parliament is not a group of atomised individuals but a collection of people at a particular moment in time. The significance of a Member depends on who they served alongside and who they did not. Using the term of each Parliament is the appropriate measure as each

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I was thinking about listing all of them, but I realized that this would just take too much effort on my part, and I figured we would get about the same discussion level from just listing off two at random. If someone else wants to tag and list the rest of the possibilities, they are free to do s.

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but this group has not changed. That the name was not used before the 1930's didn't mean the colleges weren't there, and of the same nature. We're categorizing college & their alumni, not names of colleges. To be honest, I thought that this was being proposed as a joke in response to the big 10

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is described. Earlier, in the introduction, he talks about an open source phenomenon, seen in the open source community and from open source software development. This is the base for what he later discuss openness as the underlying concept. If we based it on that source, we should call the category

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article needs expanding so ideally the contents of this category should be used to write some more prose for it, or at least be listified into the article. An article is generally the first port of call foe a Reader so that is where the information should be. Also, the way that the article is linked

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Thanks for pointing that out, I'd just used the template the nominator had inserted in the test cases. I've gone through and added the sections, but had to change the title of this CFD section, by including the "Category: " so the template's linking works - hopefully this hasn't messed up any other

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of an MP. It locates them in time, and in a particular political context, and amongst the peer group of those whom they worked with and against. It is a much more significant characteristic than where they went to school or university, but we categorise by those 2 characteristics. So why single out

5560:-- not just these ones, but many others. However, that sort of career longevity is quite exceptional: the majority of MPs serve in 4 Parliaments or fewer. There are about 650 MPs in total, and here are some examples of how the numbers break down, which you can check for yourself using the links to 5559:

If the nominator had read the previous discussions, he would be aware that the Winston Churchill argument has been raised and addressed before. The situation there is simply that Churchill had an extraordinarily long career in politics, and therefore ends up in an extraordinary number of categories

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per Choster's comments. It essentially adds an extra layer of categorization that is not needed and in a high percentage of cases will be applied in a fashion that is either irrelevant to or anachronistic to the subject (or both). But I can see how it is not quite the same as the Big 10 examples or

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This means a distinctive group of colleges, important both in the RW and in cultural preconceptions as being much more than an athletic league. It works to categorize universities by state, certainly, It also works to categorize by all defining characteristics. There's nothing that better gives the

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I think you've missed the point of what that statement means. What it actually means is that just because pages are related (albeit spuriously) does not mean that they should be put in a category together; they can be browsed in other ways, such as with a navbox or a list article. It certainly does

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Actually, the people of the USSR belonged innumerable ethnic groups. This basically shows why the present scheme is redundant and difficult, as logically we would need several hundred categories of the form "(X ethic group) military personnel of World War II" to subdivide everyone who fought in the

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all WWI categories except the three Ukrainian WWI categories which should be merged together. It is true that several of these nations did not exist at the time, but the ethnicities did exist and the people concerned were fighting for their freedom from imperial domination. I checked a few of the

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For very large category schemes, I think it's fine (and more realistic) to nominate a test case. The relevant wiki project(s) should be informed though (I guess there's a UK politics one knocking about). I did a similar test-case nomination recently on a very large sub-cat scheme, opening with the

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No one is disputing that Ivy legaue alumni are at times grouped. However with everyone of these universities pre-dating the term by at least 50 years, and some by hundreds of years, it makes no sense to group the alumni this way. Grouping other Ivy Legue things may make sense, but not alumni who

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I also offered on the talk page, that should some other editor or editors get so motivated, there are plenty of other sports that also have national records. I have also made no distinction as to past or present record holders. When the content volume so dictates, other sub-categories may become

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about such a category, and then creates the category without letting it be discussed. But I don't mind this category (if it's renamed per WFC) as it would be a nice way to browse through the season-articles, and those articles normally only have two or three categories, and one more wouldn't hurt.

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I disagree with this rationale. The country-based categories were created as a natural solution to prevent there from being hundreds or thousands of articles in a single, over-arching, global category, whereas this category has no basis other than that these clubs happen to have qualified for UEFA

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Just because it's atypical doesn't necessarily mean it's wrong. These are articles for seasons, not teams, and so they are not overcategorized as it stands. Since UEFA is quite important, this stands for now. The split has merit to the commenters, so if someone is inclined to do so, go ahead. It's

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reserve the "military personnel" categories for those who fought in the military forces of a particular sovereign state. In this light, I think the nomination makes perfect sense and in fact is a good idea that better reflects the realities of the situation as they existed in the Second World War.

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as nominated. Judging from his comment and with respect, I think Peterkingiron somewhat missed the point of the nomination. It is not to expunge any record of the person being of a particular ethnicity. It is to merge the ethnicity categories into the more general "FOOian people" categories and to

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Right, but I do not see how this will minimize their contribution, and I have taken care to specifically avoid that. Rather, what I'm suggesting is that they be identified as "X people" rather than "X military personnel" where X did not participate as a belligerent nation. Besides, we already have

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really is. "Free and open source community" has about 15 times more hits (15,545), and the first hits are not blogs and Knowledge. Doing a book search, the numbers are 89 for open movement, and 385 for free and open source community. That said, it is not enough that one or two people has used one

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all to relevant Soviet, Imperial Russian, Austro-Hungarian or whatever other category. We classify military personnel by nationality, and that means we should use nationalities at the time. If some of these people fought against their naition in liberation movements, we can classify them by the

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was a subnational Soviet republic forming part of the Soviet Union during World War II, but neither did it or any other Soviet republics participate in World War II as separate states. Since Russia was the biggest republic and occupied most of what had been the Russian Empire (and what is now the

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But if this is to be kept, I would prefer that it was split into categories for the Champions League and Europa League. This split would be more relevant, and would also allow more precise category naming. Clubs are not (to my knowledge) direct members of UEFA, which is what "UEFA football clubs

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lists and categories will almost always both be necessary for a topic--I can actually think of almost no exceptions. Perhaps it is time we stopped discussing them separately. They serve complementary purposes--of providing for automatic placement, and of providing the ability to give additional

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is an athletic grouping, the term has taken on a much wider significance, and is used as a general shorthand for this group of eminent universities. As an Irish person living much of my life in England, I have seen the term "Ivy League" used repeatedly to refer to these universities,without any

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The general concept certainly does exist, though it is difficult to give a universally accepted unique name for it. This doesn't surprise me, because in a sense we are the pioneers in having the concept generally accepted over multiple domains of activity. But for a category, we just need the

4694:. I am not persuaded that this is really a defining characteristic, so I would prefer deletion ... but if it is to be kept then it should be renamed to reflect the fact it is restricted to the USA, and based on the list maintained by the National Federation of State High School Associations at 2513:) appears to have left Knowledge a few days ago. Does this now mean this is now unopposed? I can do a full-blown CfD, but it seems overkill for a hyphen; this would seem to be the sort of thing that speedy was designed for. In any case, here is the list of (now) 3 categories to be renamed: 869:

as nominated. The consensus is that in the complex and changing history of national boundaries in the periods concerns, these categories are a confusing hybrid of two concepts: "military personnel by belligerent nation" and "people by ethnic or national group". The merger separates those two

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an independent state from the end of World War I until its annexation in 1940, but I am asking to rename the category for World War I, not World War II. Lithuania's independence was proclaimed shortly before World War I ended, but its military forces did not participate in World War I. Its

5656:, these categories allow the reader to auto-build all sorts of lists: MPs by age in each parliament, MPs by constituent country in each parliament, MPs by party in each parliament. The possibilities are endless, and this functionality will be lost if the categories are converted to lists. 5599: 5585: 5571: 4210:

the Ancient Romans did not invent the aqueduct, law, roads, bridges, nails, distance measurements commensurate with miles, and was only one of several separate inventors of codices, and the Gladius was clearly adopted, since it is called the Gladius Hispaniensis, and of Iberian origin.

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characteristic, and whatever seems clearest should be used. The present name is not ideally clear, but it will serve--it does encompass anything that might be so included. If something fits in multiple similar groups, such as "free software" and "open software", then both are relevant.

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The effort required to do the tagging is usually considerably less than is needed for keep !voters to explain the purpose of the categories, let alone what is needed for other editors to populate the categories .... and . since the idea of this process is to generate a fully informed.

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which at times outranks Cornell. For that matter, Cornell University and Yale University are only quasi-private, Cornell having some parts that are actually public Newe York universities, and Yale having the current governor of Connecticut as a member of its board (changed with the

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states "Categories are not the only means of enabling users to browse sets of related pages." This means that categories, among other types of pages, enables users to browse sets of related pages. Being in a European competition is one way to related certain club season articles.

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wi;ll show us another team that does not participate in the Ivy League. Thus at present we are classifying people as "Ivy League alumni" who were athletes in other leagues. In fact, ever single university or college in the Ivy League has some sports where they play in other

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In that case we will be mixing the actual and the metaphorical uses— "Ivy League" as representing a class of institutions rather the eight signatories of the Ivy Group Agreement. A category for "prestigious American private universities" would obviously not stand, nor

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per Sanglorian. I think part of the reason there is difficulty in coming up with an encompassing name is because of what Sanglorian has said—this looks like an attempt to group things together simply because they contain the word "open". It seems to be venturing into

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but not for given reason. Directives on categorizing people by place say that a place of birth is rarely notable for biographical purposes. The "people from foo" categories are supposed to reflect that the person lived in the place for some amount of time, not mere

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are not and has never been in common use. "open movement" (in the context of open source) gives around 927 hits on google in total, and the first hits are Knowledge and blogs. Compare this to "open source's 26,599,473 hits, and it shows clearly how obscure the terms

1010:, 1918) attained independence at the end of World War I. However, neither the national Ukrainian, Polish, or Lithuanian armed forces participated in this conflict (1914 - 1918). Since the territories now including these countries were divided between other powers, 5082:

That's an interesting point, which I had not considered. If you have suitable refs to support your contention that the cultural use of "Ivy League" has broader and/or less clearly-defined scope than the original athletic league scope, then I will change my !vote.

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does not exist outside of wikipedia; I'm afraid the evidence shows otherwise. For example "The Open Movement — including such concepts and products as open source software, open access, open courses, and open data — is an exciting and challenging development. "

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where you are grouping club seasons that have similarities in them. Just like there is a common country involved with other categories I just mentioned, there is a competition-based relation between the articles that are currently listed in the above category.

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Of course, ethnic Ukrainian, Polish, Russian, and Serbian people took part in these wars. However, this should be presented in the clearest way possible. Persons who were born in X or belonged to group X but fought for state Y in Z war should be presented as

5847:. What I don't agree with is a nomination like this that says the whole scheme is being nominated but not all of the categories in the whole scheme are being tagged or listed, simply because the nominator can't be bothered or doesn't think it is worthwhile. 5471:

I've recently argued, in a CFD discussion about a similar Greek category, that it's simply not useful to have separate categories for each individual parliament that an MP has served in — if Canada did the same, then a similarly extreme example would be

3645:. But... do reliable sources recognize such a category of thought? Even if such an idea of openness is recognized, its applications still are highly diverse, as Sanglorian points out, when we consider the distinctions between the meanings of 'open' as 4988:

While this category is an extra layer of categorization, it is not an intermediate layer that impedes navigation; in other words, it is an extra layer that readers can go through but not one that they must go through. In addition, as a subcategory of

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of browsing a set of articles, but not the only way. Just because they are one way of browsing articles does not mean that is the way we should use, especially if - as I believe - categorisation is not an appropriate browsing method in this case. –

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However, a category is a crude mechanism for capturing perceptions and poetry, and I find myself in agreement with the reasoning that it is meaningless to apply, however indirectly, this label to a 19th-century graduate of Harvard or Yale. --

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to change it from WikiProject Environment to WikiProject Energy. So these categories are a leftover from the merger, and the two extant projects should have been notified. These are project categories, and the projects should decide their

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are also in 6 conferences besides the Ivy League, not overlapping as the same, including being in the Middle Atlantic Intercollegiate Sailing Association while Harvard is in the New England Intercollegiate Sailing Association. A check of

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implies to be Open methodologies (whatever that is), but they are apparently not Open movements (whatever that is), through Free software movement is supposedly a Open movement. As a suggested fix, I primary look at the already existing

3229:. Neither of the proposed alternatives has gained consensus support in this open-ended nomination, and neither is there consensus to delete the category entirely. No prejudice against anyone renominating this with a concrete proposal. 4458:

I regret to say that this is a very sloppy and misleading nomination: not only was there no Wikiproject notification, but the nominator did not disclose the fat that he obviously knew the history of the projects. So a big wet

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purpose in notifying users that CFD discussions are being held? There could well be users who watch some of these category pages but not all of them, and tagging the ones they don't watch is not going to notify them that the

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is one of the longest serving MPs of the current govt: he has been in parliament since 1988, so he is in 6 of these categories. But on my screen, these categs take up only 1 line out the 6.5 lines of categories. That's not

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states that categories are one way to "enabling users to browse sets of related pages." UEFA Champions League and UEFA Europa League are one way to do this. This category clearly meets at least this part of the guideline.

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It's true that the literature has not yet settled on a final and agreed upon terminology, but it is also true that there is a lot of literature that groups these approaches together; it is not just based on the word

2125:- I honestly don't mind the split simply because this category could possibly have up to almost 300 pages if this is fully implemented. The above category being discussed is suppose to be the same as categories like 5663:, but the series is far from complete, and many of the lists are far from complete. This is unsurprising, because in the 19th century, an extraordinary amount of research is required to compile a complete list: the 3601:- the ideas are very much blended together, and many books/paper etc talk about applying 'open' methodologies to other domains beyond software (where a lot of these ideas first germinated, but not all of course). -- 3619:. The book draw parallels with open source software, and open source software development, but they do not call the idea or concept open source. If we based it on this book, the category (concept) should be called 1251:

re "USSR was (at least nominally) a union and each citizen had an internal nationality, which might be Ukranian, Tartar, Uzbek, or Russian (for exmaple); and how are we to categorise Ukranians who fought in German

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2012–13 season" implies to me. But it is easy to interpret "Category:UEFA Champions League clubs 2012–13 season" as meaning clubs which played in the Champions League. Renaming so that we do not have to deal with

1713: 119: 5667:, which is both complete and detailed, took me over 100 hours to create. Not many editors are prepared to put in that much work, and even if they do, these categories also serve an important maintenance role. -- 4485:

Point taken on notifying the WikiProject but in the overall scheme of things it is of very minor importance. It is housekeeping and not worthy of this discussion (said Alan without even a hint of irony...). --

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The nominator's proposal would lump in an 1820s MP with an 1890s MP and a 1950s MP and 2010 MP; four people whose lives may not even have overlapped, and whose careers certainly didn't. That makes no sense.

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mention that it was an athletic group; and it wasn't until these CfD discussions that I became aware that "Ivy League" had any meaning other than "group of eminent universities on the American East Coast".

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and people agree they all should be tagged, I've gone ahead and tagged all them with the same notification as the original (only took a couple of minutes with AWB). Hope that sorts this out, cheers

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article does also talk about open source as an philosophy with general scope (ie, outside software), but again this is completely unsourced. When we pick a name for a category, it should follow the

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are not part of the Ivy League makes this a term that does not connote what people think it does. NYU is way more Ivy Legue than Cornell, by any measure people think of as measuring the Ivy Legue.

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The current name, Open methodologies (and Open movements) is not suitable. The primary reason is that the phrases do not exist outside Knowledge, but it also is not supported by the main article

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Zangar, that was very kind of you, but you appear to have tagged them without the section name, so the links just point to this page rather than to this discussion :( --13:04, 22 May 2012 (UTC)

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You realize John, that the effect of deleting this category would be to place 2 "death categories" on the applicable article in place of the single death category that currently exists there!

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re "It is true that several of these nations did not exist at the time, but the ethnicities did exist and the people concerned were fighting for their freedom from imperial domination. . ."

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scheme. "People killed with firearms by law enforcement officers" would probably sound even weirder, but I agree that the way it is currently phrased does have a bit of an odd ring to it.

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FWIW, my test case got approved and then I speedied the rest based on that consensus. However, that was a wording change (x by Foo, instead of Foo x), rather than a more drastic upmerge.

507:. WP consensus has decided that the polity calling itself the Republic of China should be known as Taiwan. The republic is not an archipelago, so that the present name is meaningless. 3310:

No, please don't bring FOSS into this - that is a debate mostly amongst the open source vs free software people, and should be not be extended to the general space. I would be ok with

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Harvard not only existed for over 300 years before the Ivy League was ever spoken of, but Harvard is actually part of 7 athletic conferences. Besides the Ivy League it is part of

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So the "clutter" argument applies only in a few exceptional cases. That's because these categories were carefully designed to use succinct titles, precisely to avoid clutter.

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in "we are the pioneers"? I am not sure if you meant the wikipedia community or the open source community, and I want to be sure not to miss-read the comments made here.

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per JPL. Affiliation to the IPPF does seem to be a defining characteristic of such organisations, so it's worth keeping. I would support a rename for clarity, maybe to

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for their article. Since I placed that article into stage actors, this cat is empty so theoretically could be CSD'ed in however many days for being empty regardless.

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Russian Federation), its soldiers are often simply called "Russians" in the west, which probably led somebody to create a separate category for Russian personnel when

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and the list goes on. So how can we classify with a specific sports association when member organizations do not even exclusively belong to that organization? The

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we just have way too many death categories. After having seen people in 5 death categories I have decided we need to get rid of lots of minor and fringe categories.

1531:"Siege of Port Hudson" is the campaign name used by the Civil War Sites Advisory Commission, American Battlefield Protection Program of the National Park Service at 3351:. I happy welcome an attempt to fix this problematic open source section by fixing, through finding sources has been the major problem. The few I could find was: a 335: 5330:. There is also the element of anachronism, because some of the universities are much much older than the term, and Black Falcon summarises that problem well. -- 3396:. In this case, the category name is Open source with a parenthetical disambiguator, which does not have to match. In any case, I would actually be ok with just 5615:

Note that these counts include MPs who lost their seats but were subsequently re-elected, so they will exaggerate the number of MPs in each count of categories.

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If that is the case – that the category attempts to encapsulate some kind of philosophical idea of openness of information – then possible titles include

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Also, what is the general concept encapsulated by 'Open methodologies'? As I said above, I don't think there is a general category that encapsulates

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Otherwise we're just cherry picking categories or running "test cases". Did it ever occur to anyone that tagging categories actually serves some

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has shown that this is a bad idea for categorizing things. It works to categorize by university or college and group those under state headings.

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is OK, but wouldn't it be better to use something which conveys that a) this is a sports category, and b) that it an NFS record? So I suggest

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This is meant to be for all the subsections involved, but I decided to get to the point of explaining the reasons. My main argument is that

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and prune drastically. Not a lot of these things can be attributed to the Romans; the most worthy articles discuss Roman civil engineering.

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Very loose definition. MST3K is not a "dub". Some of these are indeed "dubs", but others are manipulative editing (e.g. The Funny Manns).

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other ways to subdivide this category that tend less twoards duplication. These categories have excessive tendency towards duplication.

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Re: Lugnut's comments on test cases. I have no problem with test cases, they are a useful method—as long as they are explicitly worded

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Knowledge is not a dictionary. If we created an article on it that was a definition, it would be deleted for being a dictionary entry.

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USSR in addition to several hundred categories of the form "(X ethnic group) people of World War II". Would it make any sense to place

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Thanks for source link. Will read through it all and see what it can give. But doing a quick early glance, he does not use the phrase

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A navbox? Perhaps a link to each season article from the UEFA competition season pages? Maybe neither of those. But not a category. –

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would be better but still not adequately precise, since it does not identify the field (sports) or the relevant authority (NFHS). --

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although it might be worth upmerging. It seems that being part of the Planned Parenthood network is notable for these organizations.

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supported by sources outside Knowledge and topics like open hardware is mentioned to be part of the Free and open source community (

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participated, mostly as soldiers of the Russian Empire, before a Lithuanian military was set up, so I am proposing to rename it to

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or some other thing that makes it clear this category is limited to those who held United States national high school records.

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At a first glance, Open source (philosophy) sound like it could work, but it is almost exactly like Open methodologies. The

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most commonly fought on the side of the Soviet Union during World War II, but western Ukraine was part of the region of

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line that this is indeed a test-case and I had no intention of tagging nearly 200 categories just to please everyone.

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as an article is fine, but there isn't a need to group the alumni, in spite of the prestige or renown of this title.--

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the term dates from 1935. It doesn't make much sense to me to group all alumni of say Harvard as 'Ivy League alumni'.

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this is part of a well established by-county and by-ocean category structure. There is no valid reason for deletion.

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I have to second the notion that this can not be seen as a class for presitgious, private universities. Not only is

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It should of course be "Ancient Roman" (Nom, why say it will have to be renamed without saying what to?). If we have

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re "The WWII categories are more difficult, but Lithuania was a state until it was forceably incorporated in USSR..."

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But my question is what would be done with clubs that play a spring-fall season instead of fall-spring, like the

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these defining categories, which in most cases will take up less screen room than the educational categories?

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I am afraid this isn't the case. The Matsu Islands is a geographic one. The same is true for the Pescadores.

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Can we close this CfD? Would be nice if a helpful administrator or editor could write a consensus summery.

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has never had an article, so I don't see how it can have a definition if it doesn't even have an article.

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with the future discussion. Either way, this sub-category is not useful at least as currently populated.

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the fact that most MPs serve in more than one parliament suggests that this is inherently category bloat.

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Open source is broadly used, by many people, to mean much more than software development - for example:

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Hmm, that means those two will need to be added to a non-speedy nomination, then. Two more references:

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this is not really a worth categorizing thing. If kept a short review of contents shows it should be

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There are similar categories for Chile, Canada and the UAE. None of these countries are archipelagic.

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Just to point out, if there's a repetitive task that looks too time consuming, anyone can always ask

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210.17.196.24 and 116.48.85.251 seem very similar in their way of responding and commenting on this.

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3. Like Soviet Russia, Soviet Ukraine was also a subnational Soviet republic in World War II. Thus,

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thereof, but retaining it would then seem to privilege those members over "peer institutions" like

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nomination, (it is too clearly a joke to be disruptive or pointy) but I see it's meant seriously.

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To me, it looks like the scheme is intending to limit its scope to those who were killed by police

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A better name for the Port Hudson campaign category might be "Category:Port Hudson Campaign".

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is in also in 6 of these categories. They take up only one line out of 8 lines on my screen

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any other athletic conferece, for that matter, as the term has migrated beyond athletics.

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possible that one half (likely Champions League) might survive and the other might not.--

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discarded merely because the nominator thinks Winston Churchill's article looks untidy.

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article does not actually support claims of defining Open source philosophy. It has an

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since for most of the contents it is a real stretch of the imagination to call them

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before World War I ended in 1918. However, this force did not fight in World War I.

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Parliament has its own different character and its own different pressing issues.

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If we're going to discuss an entire scheme, nominate and list the entire scheme.

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was already there. Some ethnic Russians fought on the Nazi side as part of the

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general nature of a certain group of college alumni in the US than this one,.

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to generate a more thorough discussion so a clearer consensus may be reached.

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The category is a meaningless one. Are we talking about 'open as in libre' (

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