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are hybrid categories that need to be split into a 1912-49 category and a Taiwan category befor this can be implemented, as there is a lot of aminaland material in the category and sub-categories. The consensus is that WP should treat the Nationalist mainland republic as distinct from the present
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is expected to cover the whole succession of governments of Germany in one article. Those who want special coverage of pre-1949 relations seem like they would require a split of every current article which contains any mention of the pre-1949 period. That would go against the consistency argument
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this nomination, because Hmains is right - it makes more sense to "complete the set", especially as it appears on pages ("single-engine aircraft"+"tractor aircraft" is more useful than "single-engine aircraft"+"propeller aircraft"). -
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Some editors still opposed the move of individual articles where the main topic might be relations between certain countries and pre-1949 China, the one where ROC was still in power on the mainland. On the other hand,
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per nom. Looking at the Japanese sub-category, some of its contents are specifically about Japan and the island of Taiwain as a possession of Japan, and have no relationship to the republic of China at
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if you wanted to avoid that. (or with airplane tugs (pushbacks); though Pusher aircraft also has that problem ) I don'g see how someone could think an AG could be used as a farm tractor though. --
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The default for categories should be the modern name and there's very little exclusive pre 1949 stuff in them anyway. It's time we stopped heel dragging in this area.
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Taiwan. The best course will be to create the requisite sub-cats annd move all content to them. After that the present category can be deleted or upmerged.
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notes, "Today, propeller-driven aircraft are assumed to be tractors unless it is stated otherwise."); it is the same as if, were we classifiying cars, we had
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I don't see the problem in emptying the parent category, and making it a container category for subcategories, and concept articles. --
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Properly populating this category would empty its parent. This is so overwhelmingly the normal case that there's no need to subcat it.
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No, and the deletion would be without prejudice to re-creation if the article gets re-split to pages on the 2 professional bodies or
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The scope of the category is not the same as the scope of the article, as it and its subcategories includes pre-1949 topics such as
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for an aircraft is not defining, due to its being, predominantly, the "standard" configuration for propeller-driven aircraft, and
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becoming a container category. Aircraft are not just Tractor or Pusher but can belong to one of the other subcats instead.
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to have this category seperate from "propeller aircraft", where it can be assumed to be the case unless otherwise noted (as
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which seems to be widely held by those commenting here. There was also a very weighty (and hotly contested)
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I'd wager most people, upon seeing the term "tractor aircraft", would think it was some sort of
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Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the category's
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Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the category's
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Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the category's
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The following is an archived discussion concerning one or more categories.
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The following is an archived discussion concerning one or more categories.
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The following is an archived discussion concerning one or more categories.
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the standard configuration for propeller-driven multiengine aircraft. The
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into new names and another section to cover 1912-1949 Republic of China.
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exemption as part of an established "Foo by country" category tree. -
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is notable and defining (and is properly categorised), but it is
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those problem articles can be relocated in these categories.
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The above is preserved as an archive of the discussion.
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The above is preserved as an archive of the discussion.
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The above is preserved as an archive of the discussion.
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Category:X relations of the Republic of China (1912-1949)
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Category:Bilateral relations of the Republic of China
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Index

Knowledge:Categories for discussion
Log
March 26
March 28
talk page
deletion review
Wizardman
15:08, 11 May 2013 (UTC)
Category:Foreign relations of the Republic of China
Category:Foreign relations of Taiwan
Category:Bilateral relations of the Republic of China
Category:Bilateral relations of Taiwan
Foreign relations of Taiwan
Talk:Foreign_relations_of_Taiwan/Archive_1
68.181.3.62
talk
20:20, 27 March 2013 (UTC)
Shandong Problem
Cai Gongshi
Sino-German cooperation until 1941
64.125.143.140
talk
23:49, 27 March 2013 (UTC)
John Pack Lambert
talk
01:56, 28 March 2013 (UTC)
Category:X relations of the Republic of China (1912-1949)
65.92.180.137
talk
05:21, 29 March 2013 (UTC)

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