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2073:. It's entirely possible there are in fact works that provide a positive view of him, in which case we'd either need to re-rename or create new, small categories. Best to maintain neutrality in the first place, because, critical or not, the current names are, in fact, correct, and also more specific (a work about any number of other things could be critical of him without being defined as being about him). -
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