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887:. A while back we had a wholesale cull of categories providing a 20th/21st century split as being an attempt to have a current/former split, which we do not allow. Since there were no 19th cnetury aircraft, or at least nothing worth shooting at, there should be no 19th (or 18th) century category, or possible one too small to be worth having. 1148:, but was trying to make something wider. However, many of the items would also fall inot "Traditional British objects" and "traditional American objects" etc. This is getting far too close to the performance (being a traditional object) by performer (China - or other country) type category, which we do not allow. 1120:
characteristic. Some articles that were placed in this cat inappropriately have already been removed (see cat's talk page). I'm open to suggestions for redefining this category and then purging, but otherwise it should be listified and deleted. Note: Many of the articles in this category will still
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To clarify: The "merge" referred to in the nomination is to upmerge this category - i.e. keeping the 20th/21st century cats (based on year of entry into service). There's no "attempt to have a current/former split" here. Can you refer to the CFD that culled 20th/21st century categories? Do you object
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I don't see why the 21st century should be treated as special, and not defining enough to separate from the 20th century. Or how 21/20 split would be considered former/current either, since you can still have 1950s airliners flying today, but they're still 20th century aircraft. --
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The word "modern" is very ambiguous and should be avoided where possible. A rename to "... by period" or an upmerge to the parent categories would also be OK. This is part of a long term plan to phase out use of the ambiguous "modern" in category names.
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deletion of this category results in many articles clearly associated with ancient China not being in any Chinese category. This is completely wrong. Try to improve the category navigation system to articles, not destroy it. Do this work first.
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the contents are by century, so it would make sense. A second category scheme, "by period" can be created to complement this. (pre-airplane, pre-WWI, WWI, WWI-WWII, WWII, Cold War, post-ColdWar) --
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More work is needed on the defining characteristics. What defines "traditional" here? I assume the chinese used buckets hundreds or thousands of years ago, so would that belong? if not, why not? --
322:. Just another eponymous category that have been deleted over and over again in CfD due to a limited scope of articles which don't expand beyond the conventional song and album subcategories. -- 939:
I still say merge both to a single category. With only 26 articles, the target would not be big enough to need splitting. Where are the ancient SAMs? "Modern" is thus redundant.
1353:. It's probably not desirable for this to remain and become a category for (debatable) examples of skeuomorphism; a list or discussion in the article would be better for that. – 42: 625: 37: 1330:
This category contains just the eponymous article and one image. It's unlikely to grow and does not form part of a series of categories. Upmerge to parent cat.
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as vague. I have checked the ones that I thought should remain in a Chinese/East Asian category, and they are (now) in other suitable categories. –
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This is a reciepe for over categorization. How long ago does something have to have been used, and for how long, to be considered "traditional"?
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would you upmerge to both ? If so how's that better than having more specific categories ?
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The inclusion criteria of this category mean it includes articles like
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I see no harm in keeping the category. Note: I created the category. --
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We should name things based on the contemporary name of the polity.
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Knowledge:Categories for discussion
Log
July 8
July 10
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deletion review
Vegaswikian
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Category:Carmel Buckingham
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talk
history
links
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logs
Category:Books by Carmel Buckingham
WP:OC#EPONYMOUS
22:50, 9 July 2013 (UTC)
John Pack Lambert
talk
17:02, 19 July 2013 (UTC)
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deletion review
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deletion review
Vegaswikian
talk
23:49, 25 July 2013 (UTC)
Category:Oh Land

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