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1796:=w After giving it a good deal of thought, I chose this name for the Category very deliberately, in order to specify the subject area with total clarity. I am fully aare of the many lengthy previous CFD discussions about this, and I adamantly reject the last one which resulted in the current utterly unsatisfactory name. Ordinarily when I create subcats, I apply whatever name is being used for the head category. So I guess you could consider it an act of 2276: 2180: 2161: 1412: 1836:. The CRM was a unified series of events initiated, directed, and organized by the same handful of people with a successfully achieved planned and announced goal: to nonviolently end legal segregation in the United States. As for this category, as long as the name on Knowledge is lowercased then the categories referring to it should, unfortunately, do the same. 1579:, in my defense, I'm not from any country which has these orders. I know there are a lot of them in the U.S. but I don't know how they work or which is more important than which. Reading the article - which I did do before nominating it - didn't help much. And I would have nominated it even then because not a lot of societies have members categories. 1992:. If you don't like the name of the parent category, the solution is to propose renaming the entire category tree, not by creating confusion one by one (and I would likely support such a rename of the entire tree). Having one (and only one) category with extra disambiguation where there is consensus to avoid that disambiguation is a 1922:– For what it's worth, as a native English speaker from outside of the American bubble, I would generally hear it referred to as "the American civil rights movement". I don't think "African-" is a necessary disambiguator. We do sometimes disambiguate categories even when the article is (supposedly) the primary topic. There are other 1947:, agreed that the name should include the years, and the main article used to be capitalized as a proper name. There are many 'civil rights movements' but only one 'Civil Rights Movement', proper name, which occurred in America between 1954 and 1968 and was organized and otherwise run throughout by the same relatively few people. 1879:
seems as central to American and world history as World War I, World War II, the American Civil War, the American Revolution, on and on. It has a beginning, an ending, and goals, strategies and tactics initiated, run, directed, and organized by the same small number of people over a 14-year period
2100:. If editors want to change the category or category tree to a different name I'd suggest 'Non-fiction books about the 1954-1968 Civil Rights Movement' as 'American civil rights movement' is not or was not the proper name of either the movement or the name of the parent article. Thanks. 1884:"dictates" what the name should be though, the requested move follows category guidelines. If I were going to also ignore CATNAME I'd go, of course, with the uppercase 'Nonfiction books about the Civil Rights Movement', which Marcocapelle endorsed above. 1901:. Although in this example it is "American" rather than "African-American". Note that I fully understand that the article here on en.wp does not have a disambiguator, simply because a large amount of readers live in the United States. 1961:
The idea that there's only one "Civil Rights Movement" is an American bias (even if it comes from someone from outside of America due to cultural imperialism). People from Northern Ireland, for example, would refer to
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I would add that having this one category with a more clear name actually makes the names of other categories less clear: I could certainly see myself placing a work about an unrelated civil rights movement in
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is an article with a proper name, even if editors lowercased it several years ago. The Civil Rights Movement, as I've said, is a proper name for the 1954-1968 Civil Rights Movement, so this nomination follows
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is non-notable given that it is one of the largest fraternal organizations in the United States and multiple presidents have been members. You should actually read the article before nominating.--
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I haven't looked into this one, but like the other proposal, it could theoretically expand as time goes on, although I find it less likely. I would say it's probably ok to
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The name of the movement is whatever name it is given by sources, which vary, and multiple sources call it "the American civil rights movement".
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issue, and I would urge us to avoid that. Part of consensus is doing your best to uphold it even when you disagree with it, and I commend
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as "the civil rights movement". They're not going to draw a distinction between theirs and another country's based on capital letters.
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can be started as a new template. Also, why would we supress the redirect? Plenty of stub templates have redirects. See
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Only one article in the category. Being married to a mayor usually isn't enough for someone to be notable.
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Only one article in the category. Being married to a mayor usually isn't enough for someone to be notable.
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Outside of the United States it is a more generic concept which makes a disambiguator fairly common, e.g.
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as a non-defining category. Spouses of mayors of even the largest cities are not notable for that role.--
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The scope of some orchestras is wider, for example popular music, musicals, opera and operetta, film.
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Let's just expand this discussion to be about the whole tree then and tag those other categories.
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thinking if it was about the American civil rights movement it would say so like its subcategory
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This is a category for the seasons in which a Toronto-based team won a championship. Delete per
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I found another one, and it could theoretically expand as time goes on, but I would say either
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Dual upmerge for now. There's only one person in here, which isn't helpful for navigation
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per Namiba, mere membership of an organization is hardly ever a defining characteristic.
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Based on the source I quoted and on Mclay1's comment I would be happy with renaming to
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Unjustified redirect made in 2008. Unsystematic compared to other European countries
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however and will be researching more into these societies and orders.
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already existed. May potentially need to be renamed as well.
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may be questionable it is certainly a proper merge target.
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I mean, I guess, but I fail to see the use for navigation.
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To align this new category with the name of the topic,
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Category:Jurassic Park novels
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20:55, 28 August 2024 (UTC)

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