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per nom and creator request. Just because the Houthis received weapons from North Korea, it does not mean they are proxy group of North Korea (and I agree with Sharab). There are not a lot of proxy wars between North Korea and the United States. The creation of this category is the result of my huge
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I think on balance ambiguity is helpful. Many biographical articles say little or nothing about where people are born or grow up, and even when they do, for people who move about, as rabbis clearly do, it may not be very defining. So I think merging into the "from" categories is the best option.
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I have just worked through 3000 articles in People from London and I can report that the category related to where people were born, grew up, lived, worked and died pretty much equally, just like all the similar categories. To say a person is "from" somewhere is completely ambiguous. Any effort to
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I guess the current situation (mostly mixing up places of birth and places of occupationm with the exception of clergy) has been a compromise between editors who found place of birth (or place of growing up) much more important and other editors who found place of occupation much more important. I
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This was created because there are various other Horror and Action film franchises which aren't linked together. It was created to be useful. I think we should be thinking about what makes something redundant instead of playing a game of "favorites" (ex: the Jurassic Park and Star Wars films get a
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I think this needs a wider discussion. The same issues arise in many biographical categories. Three issues - first which word we use, as both are pretty ambiguous, and second, what exactly we might mean. Territories as used by the various churches do not coincide, even with each other, and are
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standardise the meaning is doomed to failure unless it uses different words. And actually I think it's fine the way it is. Different sorts of people are defined as "from" somewhere in a variety of ways.
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Not in the British categories they don't. In categories from other countries maybe, but the British categories have been used almost exclusively as I outlined, and should remain so. --
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The two fulfill different functions: one is a "from foo" tree while the other is a "serves in an official capacity as rabbi in geographic territory foo" tree. Just because a rabbi is
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What is the collective term for such officials ("rabbis, but for cantors and other officials") in Judaism? Clergy? Really? Shouldn't it be "Religious workers" or "Religious leaders"?
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category but some cult or direct to video franchise gets ignored). It's all helpful at the end of the day and just helps organize it among the other subcategories.
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This editor has created this category, while trying to imply that the Houthis are proxies of North Korea, something that is not supported by reliable sources.
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Since all the articles are already in that category, for all practical purposes we could delete, just that formally, I'd prefer to close this as "upmerge".
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use "in", because Christian clergy usually have a certain territory, e.g. a diocese or a parish. I do not know if this is also the case for rabbis though.
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tree structures. Many Irish people emigrated in the 19th century and became bishops in their adoptive countries. I'm sure the same is true for rabbis.
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reverted my manual merge so we'll go here. Both categories are too similar in scope and the merge target should be in line with the other subcats in
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quite different in other fields of work. And thirdly, can we manage both place or origin and place of operation without people mixing them up?
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On the contrary, nearly all "from" categories mix them up (except when it concerns an occupation with a territory, such as bishops and mayors).
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London, which is probably not a defining characteristic. Or it may refer to those who are from London, in which case it should be merged.
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defining characteristic, see also my comment below, so this is the one option that I really oppose.
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It is the first time I hear that the United Kingdom would be an exception in this respect. Perhaps
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Don't be too sure that making a distinction between "in" and "from" is really needed in this case.
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has sated something along these same lines in his first comment on this proposal.
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Only the parent article is not a redirect. The subcategory is already in
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This is not only for rabbis, but for cantors and other officials as well.
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that has fully expanded and should also have an LGBT subcat. The tree of
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is much fuller. I dont think it is sensible to keep both trees.
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gives a figure of 368 and links to hundreds of articles). Example
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misunderstanding about the Houthis being a North Korean proxy.
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Agree that in the context of wp it mainly applies to bishops.
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But not actually as long as me! And I'm confirming it. --
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Index

Knowledge:Categories for discussion
Log
February 12
February 14
talk page
deletion review
MER-C
20:17, 14 March 2020 (UTC)
Category:Defunct ex-gay organizations
Category:Ex-gay organizations
Category:Defunct conversion therapy organizations
Category:Conversion therapy organizations
WP:SMALLCAT
Marcocapelle
talk
22:42, 13 February 2020 (UTC)
Category:Defunct organizations
Oculi
talk
02:31, 14 February 2020 (UTC)
Category:Religious organizations disestablished in 2013
Marcocapelle
talk
06:02, 14 February 2020 (UTC)
Oculi
talk
10:11, 14 February 2020 (UTC)
talk page
deletion review
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