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1807:, The second of which the sources say that in the second year, the perpetrators were not foreigners, although our text states otherwise. A child sex 'grooming' case in which police say approx 2/3rds of the suspects were foreign, the rest were Finns. In that instance, less than half of those convicted have nationality mentioned AT ALL in the sources given, yet our article describes them as all as migrants 2617: 2111: 66: 1811:. The category makes no attempt to construct a consistent or rational definition of what a migrant is nor whether/what the relationship between migration and the crime was. This might as well be category "crimes committed by or against people from a "foreign" background". it has no logical nor useful basis and is little more than a PoV magnet as constructed. 1632:, but it could conceivably grow)—but of course that's not how editors are going to use it, they are going to add individual crimes to it either because they think that's what the category is about or because they think that's what the category should be about, and we're stuck with a category that exists as a 919:
Articles about the issue in general might possibly work, but articles about individual crimes leads us quickly into undefinable territory. Should the massacres in Poland by German invaders be included? Some people who migrated as children commit crimes thirty years later. People in the UK have been
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has been discussed previously (see the CfD nominations I linked above), but I'll briefly say two things about it. Firstly, it is hopelessly naïve to expect that to be the way the category will be used (or perceived). Secondly, this suggestion demonstrates the scope problem here: what is this category
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and not incidents or individual laws that claim to address the issue - as establishing this kind of link is impossibly tenuous & POV (what if the crime has nothing to do with the immigration status? what if it is committed by an immigrant who's been in the country 20+ years? what about first
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for criminals from certain ethnic groups. A crime does not get any worse by the fact that it has been committed by someone from a certain minority group, nor does the crime get any better if it has been committed by a 40-year-old white heterosexual man with an income of $ 80,000. The crime is just
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because of confusion about the unclear inclusion criteria (notwithstanding that it's an inappropriate category for other reasons as outlined above and in previous discussions)? It is virtually guaranteed that articles where the link is very tenuous indeed will be constantly added to this category,
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The very title of this category seems controversial to me. Its only purpose would seem to be to imply a link between immigration and crime. Yes, there is an article on that topic, but what was wrong with the previous categorization of that article, i.e. listed in both the "Crime" and "Immigration"
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does nothing to clarify inclusion criteria or even the scope of the category, because it is hopelessly vague with regards to individual crimes – in fact, I think it even adds to the confusion. I don't doubt that your intentions are good, but surely you must see how this category lends itself to
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I question the need for a category for this. Calling it the "Red Curtain Trilogy" seems to have been more of a stylistic and perhaps after-the-fact decision, as the films aren't (to my knowledge) explicitly linked. I'm also not sure this passes
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wikipedians' POV is irrelevant here, only reliable sources matter. The point is that many prominent politicians, police services and activists are interested in crimes who involve or allegedly involve immigrants, and many sources talk about
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because of what the article says about the link or alleged link between that attack and immigration (besides the perpetrator being a rejected asylum seeker)? I'm not seeing it. Based solely on the text of the article, I'd say that this is a
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While we might not like the POV, that is not policy. What is relevant is whether the category is discusssed by sources. It is quite clear that crimes by illegal immigrants are discussed by sources and are part of a much wider immigration
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and the two subtopics on the US & Germany as it stands, which is a 3 article category and not worth keeping. Potentially could be resurrected if lots more directly-tied articles were created, but that hasn't happened yet.
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There may well be politicians and newspapers for whom it is convenient when a crime has been committed by immigrants. But Knowledge should remain neutral and not follow the views of a specific side of the political spectrum.
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nothing was "wrong", except that we had no category for easy browsing of articles about this topic. Please notice that this new category is categorized in "Crime" and "Immigration", so I don't get your point.
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To put it simply: I created the category only because we already had articles (most notably, the category's main article) on this topic. The category's content should, roughly, match what it's main article
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do we categorize crimes in gender-related categories if reliable sources say that gender could have played a significant role in the crime, or that the crime caused protests by organizations interested in
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I included articles on specific crimes according to what these articles said about the link, or alleged link, between these crimes and immigration, not just because an immigrant was involved in the crime.
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Crimes can be categorized by type of crime, country and year - there's no need to start categorizing crimes by biographical characteristics of the perpetrator(s) (bank robberies committed by women?).
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of "The Three Bears". Some of the articles are about works that focus on the Three Bears as opposed to Goldilocks, but in general I think it's best to have consistency here in the category tree.
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was a racist attack targeting Latinos probably regardless of their actual immigration status (did the killer ask for IDs?). These made-up links are a bad idea for a number of policy reasons.
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magnet (and therefore needs constant cleanup to keep out articles on individual crimes) while providing little or no benefit to anybody. Those are all valid interpretations of what
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Concur with Rathfelder. We might keep the category for just the 4 topic articles, but as the category serves as a magnet for individual crimes as well, it is probably better to
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because it is ultimately a judgment call whether that applies when it comes to any particular article (and disagreement among editors is very likely). It could also be only
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of content should be included, let alone how to determine whether any individual article belongs to the type of content that should be included; that's worse than useless.
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generation children of immigrants? why should any law that claims to stop the issue be trusted to actually have anything to do with it?). In other words, it'd just be
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notable concept; the fact that people are adding articles where the perp was an immigrant, one can also add articles where the victims were the immigrants.
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they can find about victims and criminals, but that does not mean that we have to create an intersection category for everything. We also do not have e.g.
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be. A category that necessitates unending cleanup because it is misused (in good faith or bad) is not a helpful category, and one that also attracts
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could mean, but they are very different from each other (and are all fundamentally flawed). We can't have a category where it's not even clear what
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does it say that immigration, asylum or asylum application rejection are motivations behind the attack, a terrorist incident related to ISIS. The
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as though that's somehow self-evident (or even true – I'm not sure what makes you so confident that that's the case when it's not clear from the
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Indeed. Newspapers pretty much always report the ages of the people involved (victims, perpetrators, in some cases witnesses), yet we don't have
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a mass shooting by someone who was a Vietnam born ethnic Chinese, but who had been a US citizen for 20 years before committing his crime.
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Claims related to criminal behaviour require strong, explicit references. The criteria for inclusion are unclear and difficult to define.
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it is a field covered in academic studies, for instance use a non-Google (or other noncensored) search engine to search the German term
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Anyway, thanks for mentioning other discussions which could help us. Do the categories you're referring to also have main articles like
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The bias, and the artificial link created between the two notions, are actually made more obvious by another advice in this guideline:
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such a category if we had enough content). The current category is less about specific crimes than about their political consequences.
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discuss crime by anti illegal immigration activists? That's not what I see. The category should follow the same topic as the article.
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for what this category is about, but that's basically dodging the question as it doesn't actually clarify the inclusion criteria.
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As there are three articles specifically dealing with the concept. Whether its defining for the other articles is another topic.
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that has been nominated for renaming on September 5, except for the fact that New Testament people have been wrongly added here.
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We don't do demographic profiling of crimes unless the group attacking, or attacked, is clearly a defining feature of the crime
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The crimes are notable fact, as they get a lot of media coverage and mold considerably public opinion about the migrant crisis
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this category, without year or country specification, could become a long list of crimes with little in common with each other
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as a result of CfD discussions, what's your rationale for arguing that we should have this category, which is even vaguer?
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either because editors don't understand that the category is not meant for that kind of content or because they think it
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back in 2018. Do you understand why those discussions resulted in deletion in spite of those arguments? You assert that
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characteristic of the crime. You may disagree, and that's perfectly okay, but that brings up a different problem:
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attacked because someone thought they were an immigrant when actually they were born here. On the whole I think
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none are mentioned as such; and having things of one nature mentioned in some other source is a bad precedent.
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I don't really know why the current name is formatted as it is. I propose just making it straightforward.
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Currently it includes articles where one of the perpetrators happened to be a migrant, which seems like
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The inclusion criteria for these "associated with X" categories are usually left unstated, which fails
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This category seems to me to be based on WP:OR and SYNTH - and exists as a magnet for PoV pushing.
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usually not a defining category of the crime itself, which leaves this category open to POV.
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and it hasn't even been established how to slice it out of all the possible ways to do it
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such a category if we had enough content).}} What is your rationale for arguing that
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do reliable sources claim that these individual crimes are linked to immigration?
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and its subpages, the appropriate thing to do is to instead create the category
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What did you intend the inclusion criteria to be when you created this category?
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You say that the answer to what this category is about should be found in
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one of which was probably perpetrated mainly by young male asylum seekers
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were both deleted as the result of CfD discussions? That's bordering on
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magnet notwithstanding) is that this violates Knowledge's guideline on
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in current condition. If this category was to be kept, it should be
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and its subpages", see above for why that's a terrible idea anyway),
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We say what reliable sources say. Btw, the name of the category is
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So your entire argument is the existence of the article
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