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prominent condition in those who have it, many famous people & fictional characters having it, most people don't know what HPD is. However, if you describe the criteria in layman's terms, most people will know what it is. Its incidence in the gen pop is most often given as 1% of men & 4% of women, making it the most common PD in women. It's well-defined & not obscure
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of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints. I think in his "running to the light" video he may have also mentioned that his association with Islam as a teenager kept him out of the violent gang life then prevalent in the area of Queens he lived in. I know some might question wether we should include former members of the Nation of Islam in the category
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We really should not mix pop pshycology and trying to define fictional characters. This becomes even more complex when we try to read disorders into characters at times and places when the disorder themselves was not recognized or classified, and so we are clearly reading into the character something
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I will oppose you as long as the day is long. Johnson is a member of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints who used to be an adherent of the Nation of Islam. He credits his membership in the Nation of Islam with teaching him how to fast, and fasting was key to his conversion to The Church
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I just don't know what to do with this recently-created category. Its only parent is itself; its only child is itself; it has no text on the category page explaining its purpose. What does "Andean" mean? What is an "Independent Peak"? What does "higher than 5000" mean - is it higher than 5000 other
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and is meant to group articles on people who were British but in India during the time of British colonial rule. They are British and so at heart of the United Kingdom, so using the of in the name of this article does not make sense. It is essentially a special case of the expatriate category, and
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As a reader of fiction, I can relate to Jim Michael's view of how fictional characters can relate to real-life conditions. Fiction is typically a mirror of reality as opposed to being entirely original. But we first have to include discussion of a topic in a main article, BEFORE we add this in a
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I disagree - personality disorders are long-term, major conditions which affect a person's life greatly. They're defining for both real & fictional people who have them. They're not a side issue or minor point. HPD typically causes strong extroversion & it's the only personality disorder
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No review of a novel/film/play etc. will start by describing a character by saying that they have a condition that the large majority of people haven't heard of. That's not the standard for inclusion of a character in a cat or the existence of a cat - nor should it be. Despite it being a very
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Lots of people in expatriate categories were born in the countries they were expatriates in. People can be expatriates at birth if they have deep connections to their parents homeland, if their parents are officials of the home country, or if they return either regularly of soon after their
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category created by user with three blocks in a month for creating such categories repeatedly. Knowledge (XXG) currently has only sixteen articles about people from this county, there is no need to make another category to spin off the two who are footballers.
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because of the particular all encompassing nature of religion, and the particular circumstances of people leaving a religion, it is misleading to categorize people who left a religion with those who remain adherents of it. If anyone wants to place
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has been emptied. You could just tag these for speedy deletion unless you want to set a precedence against the category being recreated. I'm not sure why you would empty a category if you want it renamed because it will just be deleted.
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If you can empty the categories by proving no one belongs we have a current article we can empty them, but I will oppose any merger because it implies the categories themselves are not legitimate, which is not at all the
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or displays homoerotic attraction to male victims (arguments I have often encountered outside Knowledge (XXG)), we first have to include such sources on the character's article. If the article never mentions the
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which is centred on the person's appearance, making them stand out. Even if you've never heard of HPD, if you met someone who has it, you'd quickly realise there's something unusual about them.
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There may indeed be sources out there covering the topic. A more significant question is whether the Knowledge (XXG) articles reflect this. Until recently Knowledge (XXG)'s article on
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does not mention anything about a possible conversion from Hinduism. Also I have removed British and English Hindus as a merge target in the nomination because
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That's untrue - there are many articles - including academic studies - which ascribe HPD to various fictional characters including those I've mentioned.
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Many sources mention her as a textbook case. On Google, the first result is an NYU psychology professor saying she uses her as a prime example of HPD.
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per nom and above discussion. Although Jim Michael is not completely wrong with his psychology the category rules are against him. I enjoyed
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as a prime example, but there is in fact hardly any mention of HPD in this character's case, that is what the discussion is about.
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is not needed for the first two categories, both articles are already in a converts to new religion from Hinduism category.
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Unless the work of fiction defined them as having such, it's original research to diagnose characters as having this.
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is a single-city, not a province. We do not need categories for the leaders of each city. 10:57, 23 August 2021 (UTC)
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failed to even mention that the killer of the novel was a lesbian, that the victim was likely bisexual, or that
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Though some of these people were likely born in India, we should explain that they were members of a
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For this discussion it is irrelevant whether it impacts a person's life greatly. You are mentioning
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in general (i.e. mostly book reviews and film reviews) start off with talking about HPD.
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about the topic of HPD in fiction. A professional writer could write a book about it.
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the proposed target is incomplete - I presume that it was intended to move to
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They are not claimed to be illigitimate, they are claimed to be too small.
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But none of the characters you mentioned have any RS saying they have HPD.
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peaks; higher than 5000 giraffes stacked up; higher than 5000 feet - what?
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It's not original research if RS say that specific characters have HPD.
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That link doesn't say that it has to be at the start of a description.
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That is not the question either. The question is whether sources about
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Not a large family with notable members across several generations.
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Only 2 brothers in this family. Doesnt seem to warrant a category.
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Yes, for some reason it messed up. I've corrected the names above.
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to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
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Index

Knowledge (XXG):Categories for discussion
Log
August 17
August 19
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non-admin closure
Marcocapelle
talk
03:25, 26 August 2021 (UTC)
Category:Sarraut family
edit
talk
history
links
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logs
Rathfelder
talk
22:14, 18 August 2021 (UTC)
Dimadick
talk
10:53, 23 August 2021 (UTC)
Just N.
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19:58, 23 August 2021 (UTC)
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deletion review
talk page
deletion review

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