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331:. This is a container for a few categories and should be tagged as a container. The fact that it is limited to pre-1707 can be covered in a headnote. The date 1707 is less significant than some WP users seem to imagine. The English Parliament did not cease to exist, nor was it dissolved so that a General Election could be held following the Union with Scotland. What happened was that exactly the same Parliament continued, much as it always had, except that it admitted Scottish members. We need to resist the desire of some WP users to split and re-split, each time making category names longer; and contributing to Category Clutter. If this was not a container, I would have suggested something even shorter. 147:) on organizing the Parliaments of England]] I think it's clear there are two good ways to organize the parliaments of England, and they both have their own uses. Parliaments obviously occur in a given century (or are at least all seated in a given century), and there's a reason to look at all the parliaments that occur in a time frame. At the same time, Parliaments of England were typically called by the reigning monarch, and so a parliament may span two centuries. The monarchs themselves can be grouped by dynasty (as per my examples above). I would like to thank 1232:. The "British style" disambiguator seems to be confusing people into thinking that the category is for "biscuits from Britain" rather than "biscuits that are not the bread kind". Note that the majority of pages in Category:Biscuits are biscuits from places outside the Anglosphere. Also see the oldest comment on 252:
I mean I've setup some subcats (obviously there are several more dynasties to cover), but I am proposing that all the by century groupings should live in their own subcat, and all the by dynasty groupings should live in a different subcat. As I'm browsing I think this also suggests a by Dynasty or by
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I'm not very experienced at category discussions, so please feel free to help me out if I've messed this up. My proposal is to split the current category into a category that keeps the century groupings, and a new category that sets up dynasty groupings, with monarch groupings under each appropriate
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is an Iranian award for either "accomplishing responsibility and servitude" or aiding the oppressed. In practice, this award is given to high ranking Iranian politicians who already very prominent: 14 of the 17 articles are somewhere under
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to postal workers, private school teachers, and public servants to thank them for their service and the award is likely defining for those non-notable recipients. The 5 articles in this category look very different though: American General
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for most of the content being a "symbol" of Tennessee is not defining to it. This is the type of thing that works as a list. It does not work as a category, because most of the things involved are not defined by this trait at
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The articles do not bother to explain what the achievement actually was. It is left to the reader to imagine that the "achievement" was a nice career as a politician or a civil servant.
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The only page contained in this category was a user page which I removed so it's empty now. We don't allow categories editors create just for themselves and their user pages.
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I'm not that experienced with this - do I need to do something different for a subcategorization proposal, or propose it somewhere else? Any advice or help is appreciated. -
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has been scoped for quite some time, it's just that the Tennessee category was recently brought into alignment with everything else. I rather agree that this runs afoul of
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Being a state symbol is not a defining feature of most of these pages, except for the obvious ones which don't need a category. There is a perfectly good
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Pinocchio has not inspired multiple sequels or spin-offs. The Disney version is limited to a single film and a couple of comics adaptations.
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for proposing the idea of retaining the century grouping while also establishing a parallel grouping by "ruling dynasty : -->
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are not remotely defined by being named a state reptile or state flower and this is a broad problem with the whole
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who are already well categorized and don't seem defined by the award. The category contents are already listified
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as duplicate category. I have checked the parent categories and confirm that no further work is required. –
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article should readers want to know about them. As such, I see no reason for this category to exist. |→
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Wrong translation. The French name of this ministry changed many times since a Labour Ministry (
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which lives across much of North America defined by being the official fish of Tennessee? -
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are not remotely defined by this award. The category contents are now all listified
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This is a clear move to try to impose British English on the whole project.
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in most cases, but all the categories should be discussed as a group.
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Index

Knowledge (XXG):Categories for discussion
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Category:Members of the Parliament of England (pre-1707) by parliament
Category:Members of the Parliament of England (pre-1707) by century, by parliament
Category:Members of the Parliament of England (pre-1707) by dynasty, by parliament
WP:BOLD
Category:English MPs of the Tudor period‎
Category:English MPs of the Stuart period‎
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Peterkingiron
Furicorn
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21:34, 7 April 2021 (UTC)
BrownHairedGirl
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21:37, 7 April 2021 (UTC)
BrownHairedGirl
Furicorn
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21:52, 7 April 2021 (UTC)
Furicorn
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