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British cabinate and having been to Eaton is. At the time that the Waterloo medals were struck, such campaign medals were a relativly new idea. The campaign was of limited scope and in both cases they are notable as the first campaign medals that either country issued. They were only issued to officers and men who fought at one or more of the battles Ligny (16 June 1815), Quatre Bras (16 June), or Waterloo (18 June), so they were not campaign medals in the more modern sense of the word (eg those members of the Allied reserve army posted to
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2478:. For goodness sake, "... with the reserve near Hal on 18 June, and did not engage in the battle." That was roughly two days away; one day under forced march, but then worthless for battle. Seems like given for being in the general vicinity, and heard about a few days later. Wouldn't want the oldboy feeling left out.
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It is a cinematic universe. It has a broad range of characters all existing together. That was the purpose from the beginning. Even in the case of the
Spiderman films which in their creation have some unique funding stream issues, the characters are basically those of the other films, and so there is
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Etonian. That he is an old Etonian is not in itself notable, but it becomes so when that school is over represented in the Cabinet. That an officer fought in the Waterloo campaign is notable over and above his other military service, because it will always be
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Koreans in China, they are one of the 56 recognized ethnic groups, and many can trace their ancestry there back over 100 years, and there are basically all Chinese communities in north-east China. As rice cultivation was exploding there in the 1920s, 80%
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Victoria Cross is a key element in the biographies of people who received it. That is not the case with the category that we are currently discussing. You seem to confuse the importance of an event for the course of history with the importance of a medal for an individual
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Waterloo campaign was a defining characteristic of the lives of all notable people who fought there, any obituary or biography will mention it in the lead to the article. This is in part because after this campaign, there was no major West European war for over a generation (in
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Brussels on June 18 were not entitled to it even if they were part of the army that went to Paris). There was a lot of resentment in the British Army that there was no such medal for the Peninsular War, but one for Waterloo (where many of the men were new to the colours).
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Enterprise Partnerships), but not necessarily. Greater Brighton should be
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for now. There is only one entry, and he is an immigrant, so categorization in
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That must be a spelling mistake, good catch! It should be merge to
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Oops. I guess I used the wrong procedure. Oh well, it's here now.
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