1366:. It does seem that people have been misunderstanding this category, so a rename to something like "Banned users with talk page history" or something. Basically, anything that wasn't a throwaway account, and was around for a while and was "good" (relatively speaking) before being banned, should be kept. Also, any cases where the ban might possibly be overturned or rescinded later, should be kept.
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because I often look at user categories to see if somebody has listed themselves as an admin. Its a quicker way to discover if they are (though it will not prove somebody isn't). Also, anything that helps newcomers find admins is a very good thing. Newcomers have no idea how to find the special page.
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that deletion might bring or the harm that keeping it will. Regards
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Category:Wikipedian
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which does not need this category in order to function. --
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792:. Regards
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47:April 2009
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