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reply, since that seems to be the process. I can only speculate but I think they will almost certainly be happy for the data to be made made available here, since they encourage sharing of the index on their webpage. It would also seem sensible to me to bring in the opinion of others so that going forward there is more certainty about the copyright situation for lists such as these; however, I'm not at all experienced with editing
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that it calculated. The URL you've given, as an html file, shows nothing. If some of the javascript is enabled in addition to the html itself, then the 2020 rankings are listed in what to me looks like a completely different format to that in the
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a copyright violation, at least not between the
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and prior ranking tables from the website. Since they use their own criteria as to how to arrive at the rankings, the resulting list is copyright. For this type of list we usually only show the top ten, or perhaps for a list of this type we might show the top ten for each year or even a few from the
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Even though lists can be copyrighted and RSF claims to "copyright" the data, what they're actually doing is promoting users to help share the data online and in print form (including
Knowledge (XXG)) and the creativity of the list is irrelevant to copyright, so I think that the ranking table should
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Since there seems to have been no progress on this issue and the page still has a clunky copyright notice I have taken the liberty to actually contact RSF in a personal capacity for clarification on whether they are happy for the data to be shared. I will escalate to a copyright clerk if/when they
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The people who create the index select unique criteria to do so. Creativity has gone into producing the list by selecting which facts are included in the resulting rankings. It goes far beyond a numerical listing of facts, and therefore enjoys copyright protection in my opinion.—
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and I have been editing international rankings-related articles in
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without discussion is strange to me, considering the fact that
Wikipedias are full of such articles with full list of countries and then they should be removed too. Hope to hear any updates about this case.—
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show top ten only. This article is a similar example of that concept, because of the creativity that has gone into the selection criteria.—
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top ten and bottom ten for each year. I have listed the article here so that interested editors will have time to modify the article.—
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I'm not necessarily convinced that this is a copyvio, but I've removed the table and converted it into a Top 10 list as suggested. –
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