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1839:). While it is charming to think that Noah's web site and John's User talk are now the world centers of research on this topic, it does suggest there is no strong background in standard science to which this material can be anchored. If all we can do is write a 'He said, she said' article, we are just like journalists who don't understand the science and are merely writing down what people say. I also read part of a William Rhodes paper that I found on the web. While it seems that he does know how to execute some standard lab procedures, his claims for the high burning temperature of his mixed gas are hard to credit, and do seem contradictory, as I think someone else has noted in one of the WP discussions. But a detailed critique of Rhodes's work is another primary source analysis that I don't think is our business. Do you imagine that William Rhodes ever ventured into a university chemistry department to give a seminar talk? Do you imagine he ever tried to collaborate with a recognized combustion lab to see if they could reproduce his claimed results? If he did so, no-one has reported that yet in our WP discussions. What we do know is that he files patents that repeat his wonderful claims. 2463:
deletion? Also, to address an earlier point, I take exception to your claim that all the information was entirely referenced from the web site. Although I cited the web site to indicate the source of information, other information was taken from the Revised Edition of the book, Interactive Video Workshop DVDs, Supercharging DVDs and Core Transformation DVDs. And re: self-evidently snake oil, I consider both Reiki and Quantum-Touch to be on equal footing there, as both practices were formed from the inspiration of a single person. Since p4 and p11 of the criterion for speedy deletion did not apply for this particular article, deletion was inappropriate.
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article where I state any of QT's claims to be fact, please do. And back to COI - is it actually the case that a participant in a certain activity or sport cannot offer Knowledge articles on said activities? Understand that I am not a QT employee peddling wares nor am I in any sense "competing" with other healing modalities, I am simply a person who is aware of several forms energy-based healing. I find the lack of a representative article on Knowledge notable for the simple fact that heaps of directly-related material is available here. If there are issues of tone or delivery in the article, I'm happy to work to fix those.
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invalidity, except for some newish ones that nobody thinks worth refuting in a formal way. Sometimes there will be RSs from a real scientist or two supporting the theory; there is no education that prevents peculiarity. The only logical rule is that once it is in the newspapers, then it goes in WP. (I would personally extend this, and say that when it is discussed in several widely-read blogs not originating from the author of the theory, these are also RSs for the state of public notice. )
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others. This allows readers who hear about these technologies to make their own opinions using more information than is provided by the people making the claims. As an example, if someone was to hear that there was a journal article about this, they would be impressed to find that the journal article really did exist and it is a reputable journal. However they would be less keen on the technology when they learn that
2303:. Not only have we debated the concept and found it wanting for independent sources, this article was blatantly promotional - in fact it looks like a copy-paste of a sales brochure. It is entirely referenced from the website selling the concept, and the concept is so self-evidently snake oil that I can't find any credible sources who even bother to debunk it. Finally, a quick Google indicates that Trane may have a 1292:
would be happy to have only one article restored (HHO gas being the best candidate IMO) and its content disputed on the Talk page rather than littered over many Afds and deleted talk pages. Femto makes a good point that not all of these should be restored. IMO having all of the articles restored would only result in more Afds. Note that
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I'd like to point out that Blatant Advertising point 11 states "an article that is blatant advertising should have inappropriate content as well". Although I disagree that the article is advertorial in nature, would you please indicate what content you thought to be inappropriate in support of speedy
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Our problem is that there is no reliable secondary literature. I wouldn't trust a summary of this issue unless it was offered by somebody fluent in standard science. We only have documents created by partisans, in other words, we're struggling to parse the primary sources. It's not our duty to create
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of deletion review. This deletion review invites discussion, the outcome of which could not be "to cover the topic in some way in Knowledge, and to undelete one or two articles for this purpose" since such a request is vague (not clear) and ambiguous (could mean different things to different people).
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Most know that total rejection of such topics is not likely, and so argue on the basis of N and RS. Given the scientific sophistication of the public, any fringe theory that can obtain some initial publicity usually becomes N, regardless of the absurdity. (there are exceptions where WP is being used
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I agree that there are not many sources available for "endorsing or debunking the stuff", so the article shouldnt attempt to do either. That doesnt prevent an article being written about the claims that have been made, the facts that are known, and the general level of scepticism shown by media and
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Good point. I dont think that there is any call for all of these articles to be undeleted; the problem is that any article remotely related to this are winding up on Afd (multiple times) and being deleted with calls for liberal salt. I am pretty sure that the serious contributors to these articles
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and provide a chance for re-editing before relisting. (I presume this may result in a partial merge, but I make no assumption about what the merge should be. This is a matter for the editors. obviously some compromises will be necessary.) There are always voices wanting to reject articles on fringe
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We really cannot discriminate of the grounds of scientific likelihood, for we are not judges of that any more than we are of religion or politics (and in a practical sense we cannot discriminate because we will rarely be able to achieve more than temporary consensus for what should be included).
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I do believe that my use of terms such as "concepts of Quantum-Touch are claimed to be related to", "it is claimed in the book that" and "techniques are claimed to cover the gamut of emotional and physical issues" decidedly remove any hint of advertising. If you can show me a single point in the
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Given the state of scientific journalism, there will usually be RSs in the form of newspaper articles, which are probably truly RSs for giving the state of public notice and opinion, though hardly RSs for the state of scientific knowledge. Usually there will be RSs from scientists explaining the
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Page flagged for speedy deletion due to reposted content. Content was written fresh from scratch (my first submission ever here). Admin deleted page due to reason "waving magic crystals". I do not believe a new article should be speedily deleted in this instance. See talk:Luigi30 for discussion
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Perfectly neutral and reliably sourced. If you want to go further and evaluate the actual claims a little, you can, but it's only here that the secondary scientific literature comes in. If there really isn't any mention of this by reliable scientific sources, we can still make straightforward
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HHO gas with the limited goal of determining whether this particular hoax is notable enough for a stand-alone article. It's alleged above but I'm not yet convinced. But the article was changed significantly during the discussion and if doesn't appear that the discussion participants noticed the
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above, the previous AfD's were all valid and there was a strong consensus to delete, so there is no grounds to overturn the deletion. I do take issue with the protected deletion, however, as it precludes re-creating the article under encyclopedic standards. I do understand the closing admin's
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assuming the version written was not spam. The original AfD referred to it being an advertisement, the other deletions were either due to a prod or via G11 - spam. If it's an ad, no complaints, but not if it isn't. Luigi's comment, as well, - "Your page has been deleted six times by several
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That depends on your point of view. I see no reason to undelete an article that is going to fail to meet a core tenet such as verifiabilty. Anything that can be sourced is invariably worth having. Articles that cant be sources are invariably going to fail to meet basic requirements and will
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as an argument for deletion was making an assumption that the patents and journal articles that were provided are false, and thus the subject isnt worth an article (undue weight). That rationale for deletion is also unpalatable, as it is in difference to the current practise of documenting
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The AfD was partially based on lack of ghits, thus demonstrating that there was no general public awareness. There are now 210,000; removing duplicates & directory listings, there are probably about 50,000. Naturally, most of these are mentions of the books on the subject or personal
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Um, OK. Rereading this and in particular DS's comments, I see that he/she deleted the article because it wasnt yet notable. Jeff's right, that's not what A7 is for - although I have seen a lot of eminently worthless crud removed from the site by stretching A7 in that way. However,
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Yes, Noah needs to be prevented from biasing the article, but this is a user problem, not an article problem. We don't delete articles just because they've been edited by people who might be biased. (Note that he endorsed deletion after I had edited the article to be more
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IMO, "HHO gas" is hovering somewhere between (a) and (b); some think it is definitely (b) and nominated the article after some (a) was added. Ed is spot on with their being a lack of "reliable secondary literature" for the scientific concept "HHO gas" (there are a few:
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This subject keeps cropping up, including on TV, and similar things have appeared many times over the decades. And there are other articles that are related and would link to it. As pointed out above, according to WP:HOAX, honest articles about hoaxes are legitimate.
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I already addressed your concerns in the nomination. Articles presented by third-party, independent newspapers are, in fact, reliable sources for the claims that have been made. They are not self-published, and they are not promotional. Please read through
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I agree that Reiki gets more hits. I doubt that it would be incorrect to presume it is because Reiki has more history behind it. (It was defined in the mid-19th century.) QT does get over 200,000 Google hits, however, and that makes it notable in my opinion.
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feature bold and timeless etc, I felt that the use of the future tense was sufficient indication that Dead Oceans isn't there yet. If you think there's enough for a new article, make a new article. If I agree, I'll undelete the old one for a history merge.
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without prejudice to coverage as and when reliable independent sources can be found. We have deleted Aetherometry and Electric Universe for pretty much the same reasons: no sources outside of their proponents, no critical review in reputable sources.
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and endorse re-deletions. This article was deleted for lack of notability. No new evidence has been presented to justify revisiting that decision. The webcomic has been released in print (3 books that I could find) but the Amazon sales rankings are
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This page was speedy-deleted for lack of notability. I believe it should be undeleted, as subject meets Knowledge's notability criterion. Dead Oceans is a new record label that is a sister label of two well-established indie record labels:
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for now. 3 book collections would seem like a good sign, but the Amazon rankings are abysmal and none of the 3 had any editorial reviews listed. The article itself was totally unreferenced, and we wouldn't want it coming back in that form.
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to get a feel for the content that was in the latest article. To the admins, it is quite possible the article POV had switched before the Afd so I suggest going back to Omegatron's last revision to see where the article was going.
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Repeated deletion and re-creation of similar articles is not a criteria for deletion. In fact, our deletion policy states that "Repeated re-creation of an article by previously unassociated editors may be evidence of a need for an
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Are there multiple non-trivial sources and/or references to verify whether this label is notable. If these can be produced than its worth an article. Otherwise, keep deleted without prejudice to recreation when they are available.
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is probably the correct way to go now - but if someone can steer me in the direction of the AFD, I'm almost certainly going to argue for deletion in the absence of the multiple non-trivial sources I mentioned earlier.
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and other approaches to energy-based healing are very much related and, in fact, several articles link back to QT here. I apologize if my article came off as ad copy; I was merely trying my very best to ensure it did
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Ruggero Santilli wrote a paper which claims this and this. Denny Klein runs a company that does this and says this about his products. None of this has been significantly reviewed or acknowledged by the scientific
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This isn't a scientific journal or textbook; it's an encyclopedia, which means we cover notable things in a neutral way. The topic is clearly notable, so we should cover it. To write in a neutral way, we just
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because it's a single crank. We are not in case (c), the isolated crank, because these are shared ideas, though they are not shared by people who can express themselves well using widely-understood scientific
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testimonials in blogs. I think that shows N. The books on the subject are probably RSs for what the technique is, though of course not for N, but the ghits do show public awareness & so it is significant.
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is material that has been published by the author, or whose publisher is a vanity press, a web-hosting service, or other organization that provides little or no editorial oversight." Even the article in
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Even without scientific literature or logical deductions, we can quote the opinions of people like Randi, who are not reliable sources on science, but notable enough to be sourced as critics. —
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as closing admin. Neither the article subject to AfD nor the recreated version come even close to meeting any notability guideline. Being published as a book does not constitute notability, as
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different administrators. That in itself is a criterion for being deleted." - is disconcerting due to its complete misunderstanding of speedy deletion policy, which may play a role here. --
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to be covered in some form or other. Salting is entirely inappropriate. At least one or two of the articles need to be re-created, though I'm not sure which or in which format.
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It is, however, relevant to discussions of process. The problems with the article are independent of the conflict of interest, and include the fact that it is advertorial.
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I asked on the talk page and was told to list it like this, with all the articles at once so we can discuss them all at once, since only one or two need to be kept. See
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The request of this deletion review - "to cover the topic in some way in Knowledge, and to undelete one or two articles for this purpose" - is outside the scope of the
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I think the lack of non-promotional sources discussing the subject is an indication of its notability. That is no RS are available endorsing or debunking the stuff.
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In the case of books it should be easy to point to reviews in mass market media to demonstrate notabilty. If you can do this, I'll be prepared to review my !vote.
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A number of related articles are being repeatedly nominated for deletion for inappropriate reasons. Although I agree with some of the deletions, this topic
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as distinct topics, with restrictions of the content on POV, notability, and verifiability as per the previous AfDs. The ruling on other pages such as
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has "self-published" the majority of his books and journal articles. We can join those dots by having an article based the reliable sources we have.
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now seeks review of the delete outcome of the 14 December 2006 AfD, reasoning that "this page was deleted simply because it had been deleted under an
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were also nominated for deletion without an afd warning being placed on my talk page (at that stage I was the only contributor to each article).
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as nominator; weren't nominated for valid reasons. At the least, salting to prevent re-creation is inappropriate given notability of topic. —
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of these articles. It is a request to cover the topic in some way in Knowledge, and to undelete one or two articles for this purpose. See
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considered it notable enough to mention it three times in the newsletter to refute the technology. Were all of those people "bought" ?
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What we can judge, is what the state of public and scientific opinion is, and what we can be responsible for is accurate reporting.
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notable". Given that it was founded in February 2007, and that the article quoted from the press release saying that Dead Oceans
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are required... there are none. Keep them deleted, salt them, and indef block article recreators as timewasters violating
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concerns though, as the article kept getting re-created and re-deleted, and the back and forth becomes a difficult issue.
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This is probably the biggest complaint, but is not, in fact, a valid criteria for deletion. Contrary to popular belief,
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I've just gone through all the various AfDs, and all of the reasons cited for deletion fall under one of the following:
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read as first-person spam. Re: Conflict of Interest - if I were a martial artist attempting to pen a solid article on
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Indeed. Since this is the same issue for all four articles, it's better to discuss it in one thread rather than four.
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should not be judged on the prior Afd's as Omegatron and others put a lot of work into ensuring this article had the
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Ok, I'll bite. Reliable sources and notability have provisions for not include non-independant sources such as
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on 14 December 2006, stating that the outcome of the deletion debate was delete. On 19 December 2006,
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about Crackpot Physics from 2003 persuades me that having an article on these topics is not necessary.
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doesn't count as self-publishing. Independent, third-party newspapers and journals definitely don't.
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All this resulted in the deletion of all these similar articles. As long as no editor can supply
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So we are in (a), but the article should be deleted? Option a is "patched up or rewritten". —
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Sources (or lack thereof) are irrelevant when it comes to A7s and assertions of notability. --
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In case its useful to others, Jimbo's email lists three articles that were being considered:
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Me too, but it's our duty to cover it in some form, in a neutral, verifiable, scientific way.
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in an attempt to get the initial publicity, and these should of curse be rejected).
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is a webcomic created and drawn by John Lotshaw that debuted on January 15, 2002.
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There are no independent and journalistic credible sources debunking the claims.
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Significant noticed total nonsense in my opinion, but that isn't a factor.
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engaged. First attempt to dialog was simply deleted from talk page.
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This page was deleted simply because it had been deleted under an
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Immediately undeleted since it was deleted as a PROD. —
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Knowledge:Deletion review
Log
2007 March 13
Deletion review archives
2007 March
2007 March 15
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Accidental Centaurs
GRBerry
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deletion review
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King of Hearts

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