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The sourcing is extremely thin... most of the sources just say
Vladimir Correa appeared in a movie with a certain title. Almost all of the sourced prose in the article is just summarizing such sources. The best claim to notability, that "He was one of the first notable gay porn stars to also appear
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also fails to be "explicit". I see absolutely nothing wrong with starting a thread on BLPN when questions have been raised about sourcing, regardless of what has been asked for. I'd suggest taking Cirt's advice and looking at a renom in a couple of months, if the article hasn't been sufficiently
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that are in books. This was not an easy close but I think it was good to err on the side of caution here. If you can actually show the sources are all trivial coverage, then I would vote delete in a new AFD... but I don't think a delete close would have been appropriate here.
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in a number of heterosexual and bisexual pornographic films" remains unreferenced. Looking at the AFD, it seems probable that some people were fooled by the fact that this "looks" like it's well-referenced. However, I can't view some of the
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