Knowledge (XXG)

:Deletion review/Log/2010 June 16 - Knowledge (XXG)

Source đź“ť

317:. Within admin discretion, especially once we punt AlanOland's !vote for being (a) crap and (b) from a banned user. But I recognise SnottyWong's delete !vote is not particularly helpful either. In closing based on objective strength of argument, weight must also be given to Glenfarclas's valid replies to the keep !votes. I say "within admin discretion" here because "no consensus" was open to be made as well and I can understand those that would argue that close would have been preferable. But DRV needs to recognise that there are many tough AfD calls and allow reasonable latitude for administrators.-- 450:. I'm of course the one who nominated this article in the first place, but I do feel that this was well within the bounds of of admin discretion. Numbers-wise, the !votes ran four-to-two for deletion, discounting the vote of a blocked sockpuppet. Argument-wise, there's not much to say other than that the actress had one role in a straight-to-video movie, and two unimportant bit parts in single episodes of TV shows. The delete !votes established that; the keep !votes showed essentially no understanding of how to try to connect the actress's roles to to any actual guideline like 704:. I'm sorry if the directions were confusing but you managed to do exactly what you should have done. You've written a 'userspace draft' that clearly addresses the concerns that led to the deletion of the page and so I and others now support allowing its recreation. However, unsalting and allowing the page back will not prevent it from being nominated for deletion via 851:
Wiki stated I could create the article Joseph P. Overton, who is not a living person but quite dead and also the originator of the Overton Window theory of policy and consequences among government and the public. Please restore the article as Joseph P. Overton is not copyrighted material nor was any
358:
DGG's attempt to discredit Snottywong's opinion by trying to paint him as some kind of knee-jerk anti-ARS zealot. This misrepresents both SW's stated intentions and his actual arguments at the AfDs in question. We've had two drama ridden threads on this issue already, and the overwhelming consensus
334:
in my opinion, the actual article is borderline. (anyone who wants to see it might as well look at IMdB, for that's basically the information present in the article) But Snottywog's !vote should be disregarded entirely based on his self-admitted intention to vote delete on everything helped by the
887:
which appears a direct copy to me. However being a word for word copy isn't a requisite for copyright violation. If you can read both and easily see that one was derived from the other then that's likely a copyvio. I can't write my Barry Rotter novel about an aspiring wizard, it'd be a copyvio
396:
As the instructions on the deletion review page indicate, many issues can be resolved by asking the deleting/closing administrator for an explanation and/or to reconsider his/her decision. While not strictly mandatory, this should normally be done first. Did you try, and if not, was there some
645:
A couple weeks ago, the Vayden wikipedia page I edited was deleted for reasons I now both completely agree with and understand. Since then, I've put together a more fitting page, yet it seems I cannot recreate it with the new content because "it's currently protected and can only be edited by
203:
requires that the actress "has had significant roles in multiple notable films, television shows, stage performances, or other productions". No one in the discussion has shown that she had a "significant role" in two productions - the only one given as significant was
241:
That AfD did not appear to contain any analysis of the article's sources whatsoever, and I do not see any evidence that anyone attempted to search for other sources while the debate was ongoing. It seemed to me that both sides thought they could get away with
78:. There is no consensus below that the close was outside admin discretion, but there is consensus that a new article asserting notability through citations to reliable sources (which the deleted article lacked) would be appropriate if it can be written. – 287:
Which means there are no reliable sources in the article. It remains to be established whether one could be found (and I rather doubt it, but that's really AfD's job). Failing that, the AfD should exhaust the possibility of a valid redirect
246:
their case instead of discussing the evidence. In fact, I find that AfD wholly unsatisfactory. I'm a bit tempted by MuZemike's view, but on balance I'm not sure I would want to go as far as overturning Tim Song in this case. I'd prefer
489:
draft in user space, adding reliable sources and addressing the concerns raised in the AfD, and then sending the closing admin a note about the new article. If the closing admin agrees that the new article is sufficiently improved, the
924:
per Stifle and 82.7.40.7. Said material is under copyright by the Mackinac Center for Public Policy (as stated on the bottom of that web page). We don't copypaste or plagiarize here; we write stuff in our own words and then
225:
Oh, and thanks for discussing it with me in advance, you know, as the instructions require. I really appreciate the chance to correct any mistake I have possibly made before being dragged to DRV. </sarcasm:
190:– that's a toughy, as a few of the arguments there on both sides were not terribly convincing. But I think cutting all that out, I still don't see a definitive consensus for deletion established. – 852:
content lifted word-for-word from any source. I did gain biographical info to write this stub from the Center where he was working when he died in 2003. Please restore this article. Thanks...
679:
because a user in good standing wishes to add good faith content and we boast that this is the encyclopaedia that anyone can edit. No prejudice against a later AfD discussion if necessary.—
879:
He was a member of the State Bar of Michigan and was appointed by Gov. John Engler to the Michigan Appellate Defender Commission upon recommendation by the Michigan Supreme Court.
871:
He was a member of the State Bar of Michigan and was appointed by Gov. John Engler to the Michigan Appellate Defender Commission upon recommendation by the Michigan Supreme Court.
48: 34: 382:. Those voting keep did not adequately demonstrate the assertion of notability to meet WP:ENT. No sources were presented to show this person meets the GNG. 148: 43: 208:. I accord less weight to claims that a guideline is satisfied when the argument goes against the guideline's plain text. Also, I should note that 827: 219: 494:
article gets moved into mainspace. Otherwise, we go back to DRV to determine that the new version is sufficiently different from the old that
359:
is that Snottywong has done nothing wrong. So quit trying to find excuses to get people you don't agree with excluded from these discussions.
163: 39: 842: 646:
administrators." I was then directed toward this page. I'm unsure on what step comes next, so here is a link to my proposed page:
692: 301: 264: 354:- Article was relisted so that consensus could be established, and the discussion thereafter was clear consensus to delete. And 21: 907:, clear-cut copyvio, no question of restoring. Of course there is nothing wrong with the nominator rewriting in his own words. 889: 551:– Uncontested request to allow article, based on acceptable userspace draft. Unsalted title and moved article to mainspace – 501: 621: 944: 777: 732: 571: 526: 98: 17: 647: 213: 654: 857: 118: 636: 172:
There was no consensus for deletion in the AfD, and no reason for deletion was given by the closing admin.
797: 650: 114: 70: 853: 500:
Also, the old article was pretty bare bones, but I have no objections to restoring it to place it in the
465: 322: 209: 933: 916: 897: 861: 766: 721: 696: 671: 658: 560: 515: 471: 442: 423: 406: 391: 374: 346: 326: 305: 282: 268: 235: 194: 181: 87: 717: 688: 297: 260: 83: 893: 387: 930: 762: 668: 591: 556: 278: 243: 231: 191: 177: 793: 753: 709: 912: 587: 547: 511: 455: 433:
per MuZemike. Neither side had a strong enough argument to claim consensus to do anything.
419: 402: 318: 705: 495: 451: 200: 713: 680: 438: 289: 252: 79: 479:. Closure as delete seems to reflect consensus of the discussion and the status of the 383: 367: 414:
by default due to nominator's failure to pursue his request by responding to queries.
758: 708:
if someone still fells that the band fails to meet the relevant notability criteria (
552: 342: 274: 273:
The only sources in the article are an IMDB link and a link to the official website.
227: 173: 205: 908: 506: 415: 398: 434: 648:
http://en.wikipedia.org/User:MetalMilitiaESP/Enter_your_new_article_name_here
360: 875: 337: 667:– I think the userfied copy looks good to place into the mainspace. – 251:
in the hope of getting a debate that's more helpful to the closer.—
867:
According to google cache the article contained the sentence:
834: 820: 812: 804: 628: 614: 606: 598: 485:
That said, nothing prevents an editor from beginning a
222:) was subsequently blocked as a sock of a banned user. 155: 141: 133: 125: 8: 776:The following is an archived debate of the 570:The following is an archived debate of the 97:The following is an archived debate of the 746: 540: 63: 888:without copying stuff word for word... -- 7: 947:of the page listed in the heading. 735:of the page listed in the heading. 529:of the page listed in the heading. 28: 943:The above is an archive of the 731:The above is an archive of the 525:The above is an archive of the 188:Weak overturn to "no consensus" 18:Knowledge (XXG):Deletion review 929:where we get our stuff from. – 1: 665:Unsalt and allow recreation 970: 934:23:09, 16 June 2010 (UTC) 917:12:40, 16 June 2010 (UTC) 898:06:33, 16 June 2010 (UTC) 862:02:10, 16 June 2010 (UTC) 767:02:39, 23 June 2010 (UTC) 722:03:27, 17 June 2010 (UTC) 697:23:39, 16 June 2010 (UTC) 672:23:06, 16 June 2010 (UTC) 659:22:16, 16 June 2010 (UTC) 561:19:24, 23 June 2010 (UTC) 516:15:02, 18 June 2010 (UTC) 472:14:49, 18 June 2010 (UTC) 443:14:31, 17 June 2010 (UTC) 424:18:00, 20 June 2010 (UTC) 407:09:59, 17 June 2010 (UTC) 392:08:11, 17 June 2010 (UTC) 375:07:28, 17 June 2010 (UTC) 347:02:19, 17 June 2010 (UTC) 327:01:30, 17 June 2010 (UTC) 306:00:07, 17 June 2010 (UTC) 283:23:44, 16 June 2010 (UTC) 269:23:36, 16 June 2010 (UTC) 236:23:18, 16 June 2010 (UTC) 195:23:12, 16 June 2010 (UTC) 182:23:01, 16 June 2010 (UTC) 88:00:16, 25 June 2010 (UTC) 950:Please do not modify it. 783:Please do not modify it. 738:Please do not modify it. 577:Please do not modify it. 532:Please do not modify it. 104:Please do not modify it. 40:Deletion review archives 780:of the article above. 757:– Decision endorsed – 574:of the article above. 101:of the article above. 199:The relevant part of 502:WP:Article incubator 115:Sophie Anna Everhard 71:Sophie Anna Everhard 249:restore and relist 957: 956: 794:Joseph P. Overton 754:Joseph P. Overton 745: 744: 695: 539: 538: 304: 267: 961: 952: 847: 845: 837: 823: 815: 807: 785: 747: 740: 702:Allow recreation 687: 685: 641: 639: 631: 617: 609: 601: 579: 541: 534: 468: 462: 412:Endorse deletion 397:special reason? 365: 356:strongly protest 296: 294: 259: 257: 224:<sarcasm: --> 168: 166: 158: 144: 136: 128: 106: 64: 53: 33: 969: 968: 964: 963: 962: 960: 959: 958: 948: 945:deletion review 841: 839: 833: 832: 826: 819: 818: 811: 810: 803: 802: 781: 778:deletion review 736: 733:deletion review 681: 651:MetalMilitiaESP 635: 633: 627: 626: 620: 613: 612: 605: 604: 597: 596: 575: 572:deletion review 530: 527:deletion review 466: 456: 371: 361: 290: 253: 162: 160: 154: 153: 147: 140: 139: 132: 131: 124: 123: 102: 99:deletion review 62: 55: 54: 51: 46: 37: 31: 26: 25: 24: 12: 11: 5: 967: 965: 955: 954: 939: 938: 937: 936: 922:Strong endorse 919: 905:Speedy endorse 901: 900: 884: 883: 882: 881: 873: 854:Wikistubwriter 849: 848: 830: 824: 816: 808: 800: 788: 787: 772: 771: 770: 769: 743: 742: 727: 726: 725: 724: 699: 674: 643: 642: 624: 618: 610: 602: 594: 582: 581: 566: 565: 564: 563: 537: 536: 521: 520: 519: 518: 499: 498:doesn't apply. 484: 474: 445: 431:overturn to NC 428: 427: 426: 394: 377: 369: 349: 329: 312: 311: 310: 309: 308: 239: 197: 170: 169: 151: 145: 137: 129: 121: 109: 108: 93: 92: 91: 90: 61: 56: 47: 38: 30: 29: 27: 15: 14: 13: 10: 9: 6: 4: 3: 2: 966: 953: 951: 946: 941: 940: 935: 932: 928: 923: 920: 918: 914: 910: 906: 903: 902: 899: 895: 891: 886: 885: 880: 876: 874: 872: 869: 868: 866: 865: 864: 863: 859: 855: 844: 836: 829: 822: 814: 806: 799: 795: 792: 791: 790: 789: 786: 784: 779: 774: 773: 768: 764: 760: 756: 755: 751: 750: 749: 748: 741: 739: 734: 729: 728: 723: 719: 715: 711: 707: 703: 700: 698: 694: 690: 686: 684: 678: 677:Speedy unsalt 675: 673: 670: 666: 663: 662: 661: 660: 656: 652: 649: 638: 630: 623: 616: 608: 600: 593: 589: 586: 585: 584: 583: 580: 578: 573: 568: 567: 562: 558: 554: 550: 549: 545: 544: 543: 542: 535: 533: 528: 523: 522: 517: 513: 509: 508: 503: 497: 493: 488: 482: 478: 475: 473: 469: 463: 461: 458: 453: 449: 446: 444: 440: 436: 432: 429: 425: 421: 417: 413: 410: 409: 408: 404: 400: 395: 393: 389: 385: 381: 378: 376: 373: 372: 366: 364: 357: 353: 350: 348: 344: 340: 339: 333: 330: 328: 324: 320: 316: 313: 307: 303: 299: 295: 293: 286: 285: 284: 280: 276: 272: 271: 270: 266: 262: 258: 256: 250: 245: 240: 238: 237: 233: 229: 221: 218: 215: 211: 207: 202: 198: 196: 193: 189: 186: 185: 184: 183: 179: 175: 165: 157: 150: 143: 135: 127: 120: 116: 113: 112: 111: 110: 107: 105: 100: 95: 94: 89: 85: 81: 77: 73: 72: 68: 67: 66: 65: 60: 57: 50: 45: 41: 36: 23: 19: 949: 942: 926: 921: 904: 878: 870: 850: 782: 775: 752: 737: 730: 701: 682: 676: 664: 644: 576: 569: 546: 531: 524: 505: 491: 486: 480: 476: 460: 457: 447: 430: 411: 379: 368: 362: 355: 351: 336: 331: 314: 291: 254: 248: 223: 216: 206:Dylan Marvil 187: 171: 103: 96: 75: 69: 59:16 June 2010 58: 49:2010 June 17 35:2010 June 15 459:Glenfarclas 319:Mkativerata 74:– Deletion 714:Eluchil404 683:S Marshall 292:S Marshall 255:S Marshall 210:Ă…landĂ–land 80:Eluchil404 890:82.7.40.7 759:T. Canens 384:Quantpole 275:T. Canens 244:asserting 228:T. Canens 44:2010 June 931:MuZemike 669:MuZemike 553:Jclemens 483:article. 288:target.— 220:contribs 192:MuZemike 174:Moorsmur 76:endorsed 20:‎ | 877:says - 843:restore 813:history 710:WP:BAND 637:restore 607:history 477:Endorse 448:Endorse 380:Endorse 352:Endorse 335:ARS. 315:Endorse 164:restore 134:history 909:Stifle 706:WP:AfD 588:Vayden 548:Vayden 507:C.Fred 452:WP:ENT 416:Stifle 399:Stifle 332:Relist 201:WP:ENT 835:watch 828:links 629:watch 622:links 435:Hobit 343:talk 156:watch 149:links 52:: --> 16:< 927:cite 913:talk 894:talk 858:talk 821:logs 805:edit 798:talk 763:talk 718:talk 712:). 655:talk 615:logs 599:edit 592:talk 557:talk 512:talk 467:talk 439:talk 420:talk 403:talk 388:talk 363:Reyk 323:talk 279:talk 232:talk 214:talk 178:talk 142:logs 126:edit 119:talk 84:talk 32:< 504:. — 492:new 487:new 481:old 370:YO! 338:DGG 226:--> 22:Log 915:) 896:) 860:) 765:) 720:) 657:) 559:) 514:) 496:G4 470:) 454:. 441:) 422:) 405:) 390:) 345:) 325:) 281:) 234:) 180:) 86:) 42:: 911:( 892:( 856:( 846:) 840:( 838:) 831:| 825:| 817:| 809:| 801:| 796:( 761:( 716:( 693:C 691:/ 689:T 653:( 640:) 634:( 632:) 625:| 619:| 611:| 603:| 595:| 590:( 555:( 510:( 464:( 437:( 418:( 401:( 386:( 341:( 321:( 302:C 300:/ 298:T 277:( 265:C 263:/ 261:T 230:( 217:· 212:( 176:( 167:) 161:( 159:) 152:| 146:| 138:| 130:| 122:| 117:( 82:(

Index

Knowledge (XXG):Deletion review
Log
2010 June 15
Deletion review archives
2010 June
2010 June 17
16 June 2010
Sophie Anna Everhard
Eluchil404
talk
00:16, 25 June 2010 (UTC)
deletion review
Sophie Anna Everhard
talk
edit
history
logs
links
watch
restore
Moorsmur
talk
23:01, 16 June 2010 (UTC)
MuZemike
23:12, 16 June 2010 (UTC)
WP:ENT
Dylan Marvil
Ă…landĂ–land
talk
contribs

Text is available under the Creative Commons Attribution-ShareAlike License. Additional terms may apply.

↑