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4394:. Philaweb has a good point. However it seems a bit much when we have these categories for Mexicans, Hungarians, Romanians, Lithuanians and so on. I think it is partly because it was felt that "American Jews" was getting too big. However, we have the option of "Ashkenazi Jews", "sephardic Jews" and so on. We can even do "American Sephardic Jews" or something along those lines. When some of these people are in categories "American Jews", "Hungarian Jews" and "American Jews of Hungarian descent", we definately have gone to far with categories. The German Jews v. Russian Jews formation had some validity, but when we now have Cuban Jews, Greek Jews, Uzbek Jews, Israeli Jews, Israeli immigrants whose parents were born in Morocco, Lithuanian Jews, Polish Jews and on and on, it becomes very hard to figure which group anyone belongs to. 4572:. After a category has been speedy renamed and there is a dispute as to whether the speedy criteria are met, the most logical solution is to nominate the categories for renaming. I haven't seen any real discussion here as to whether the speedy criteria were satisfied in this case, and this is turning out more like a CFD discussion would be. So these may as well be moved to CFD where renames can be proposed. (FWIW, I think the speedy criteria were fulfilled in this case. There just happens to be some disagreement as to whether the standard name format should apply in this case, which is a good reason to have a full CFD about it. At the end of the day, I would basically agree with 3935:" of this entire situation unraveled finally: That MAYAUMASHU WAS WORKING BACKWARDS! He assumed that by looking at parent categories who could extrapolate backwards in time and impose later parent category names on earlier categories that were not working within the framework of his thinking. Thus when "Category: XYZ American Jews" was created it was NOT working with assumptions to meet requirements of a much later imposed "Category:American Jews by national origin" that in turn was tied in to another category of "People by national origin" when the basic question that "Category: XYZ American Jews" was providing was a category for those American Jews who were 4613:'s explanation of how the terms are different. Either is fine with me, but since there is a sensitivity to the word "descent" in this case and a preference for "origin" among other users, I'm fine with that. I find their original form to be far more ambiguous. Just a difference of opinion I guess—but voting on the proper form is not something that should happen at DRV. It's something that happens at CFD, which is why I think ultimately it should be listed there, rather than attempting to make the decision here. This is to review deletion decisions, not to choose the best name. I'd also be quite happy if 3653:

their programmers' bidding) but I have recently visited, reviewed and edited dozens of Jews' category pages and when it comes to tracking down the EDITORIAL histories of categories changed by your Cydebot, they are just not there beyond the sometimes list of names, but no actual traditional Knowledge html history with dates (as remains when regular pages are "moved" the edit history is preserved intact with dates, links to editors' names etc) that can serve as ways to communicate with editors who created and worked on those categories. This is a problem you should fix ASAP.

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the monster Cydebot can change the face of vast numbers of categories built up over many years without those who built them and maintained them even knowing. 48 hours is NOT much time for a slow-moving behemoth like Knowledge that is now over 3 million articles and it is impossible for users to straddle all the items on their watchlists (like most experienced users I have more than 5 thousand on mine, and that is after I trimmed away a few thousand). Bottom line, as you can tell from those who are taking note now, your decisions in this case were

3788:. Sorry, but no—I need not, because I don't control the actions of other users. If they want to take the past nomination and use it for their own purposes, I can't stop them. Your continued suggestions that there was "close cooperation" between me and the nominator in this matter continues to demonstrate that you are (1) not assuming good faith, and (2) don't have clue about what you are talking about with respect to this issue. You really should take other users at their word. And if you honestly believe that 3990:, per IZAK. As IZAK points out, these different category labels convey quite different meanings, and some discussion is required before such a change. Frankly, I'm not sure which is better, because a label like "Mexican American" implies to me a first-generation immigrant, whereas "American of Mexican Descent" seems more inclusive of subsequent generations. In any event, someone needs to make a convincing argument as to which system provides the better taxonomy for member articles. — 195:

other I have done in the past for other organizations. The article contains coverage from reliable sources that are independent of the subject, and these were not of trivial nature. The article brings in a factual read for readers everywhere who would like to get the facts. I don’t that the articles got a reasonable and fair second look from all editors . I had already started a re-writing process to condense the article but was not given the opportunity.

3349:). When admins delete categories that are listed at CFDW, it's usually due to the fact that Cydebot had failed to delete these categories itself. Essentually, we cleanup after Cydebot's cleanup. Why these nominations were made was the result of some CFD to change the naming convention, I believe. It would take me quite a while to attempt to find it, but I would think Good Olfactory may have a better insight regarding this. — 4007:— though it can be argued that Jewish identity is akin to the national identity associated with the identities of sovereign nations and their associated citizenries, there are differences as well between these different forms of identity, and we should endeavor to preserve rather than eliminate distinctions relating to identities in these realms. We have to be careful that terminology used is appropriately accurate. 4112:). But I do concede that 'national descent' is rather a contrived phrase. However hyphenated names can easily be wrongly interpreted - dual citizenship? Fooian of Booian descent or origin or vice versa? People by Fooian descent or origin need to spelled out in some form for clarity, and if 'origin' is a more straightforward term semantically, than lets go with it here. 3557:

guessing/speculating so before you lay an egg perhaps you should seek for confirmation from those who would actually know what the rationale in fact was or was not. All I can do is guess, which I've tried to tell you a number of times now, despite the fact that you apparently perceive me to be intimately involved in some nefarious plot (e.g.,

3474:-- dozens of perfectly fine Jews' categories are terminated (i.e. killed off) by being hastily and mistakenly deleted and wrongfully re-named in ways that distorts truth, reality, history, fact, religion, and much more. This is a serious travesty and a good example of why mass nominations and the subsequent mass deletions, especially mass 3501:)) who has started a massive controversial re-definition of nations, ethnicities, peoples, religious groups, races, etc without there being a massive concomitant discussion SOMEWHERE, ANYWHERE for such a massive one-man arbitrary over-haul of Knowledge initiated by one person, aided by his reliable partner in speedy deletions User 3915:: This is important and is probably the key to what happened here: Mayumashu states that "I listed most if not all the categories in question as speedy renames based on C2.C criteria, that these pages did not follow the naming pattern of the parent category. e.g. 'Category:Egyptian American Jews' has two parent categories - 542:, to be more confusing (it could be viewed as referring to "Austrian Jews of Hungarian (Jewish) descent or origin" or "Hungarian Jews of Austrian (Jewish) descent or origin" or "Jews from Hungary and Austria" or even "Austro-Hungarian Jews"). Along similar lines to those discussed by me below, I approve the " 4617:

further were done, but that approach would seem to give short shrift to your concerns that have been expressed in the face of a speedy rename change, which is why I didn't endorse that approach. The normal thing to do if someone opposes a speedy rename after the fact is to nominate them for renaming.

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Hi Philaweb: You miss the point. The problem with leaving this as a kind of superficial "passport control" or "past borders" issue is not what this discussion is about. The point is that, as in this case, the Russian Empire was a land of many ethnicities and was mostly Christian so the word "Russian"

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On a related but separate note, I think we have to tease apart and be mindful of the difference between someone "being Jewish" and someone being "of Jewish descent." "Jewish" is a present identity of an individual. "Of Jewish descent" is terminology which sheds light on the identity of the parents of

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is a socially acceptable way to "seek help and cooperation", you have more serious problems to worry about. (Silly me, I interpreted your suggestion that I submit to the decisions of users who will give "INTELLIGENT feedback" as some type of incivility—how unusual of me.) The rest of your comment is

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informing WikiProjects when their most vital articles and categories are on the line (and please don't call pointing a policy of yours on your user page an "attack" which it is not), and Mayumashu has the line down pat that he can do as he wants with speedies within 48 hours, even if it's some pretty

3745:) to ask you multiple times to please come over here and shed light on how so many Jews' categories got deleted and renamed speedily without it attracting major attention when it was in effect a major move. At least my insistence paid off, and it's no use calling it "attacks" when I was trying to get 3667:

I don't think this is anything Cyde or any other programmer can fix. It has to do with the fact that with the software WP uses, categories cannot be "moved" in the same way article pages are moved. Rather, the normal practice is to delete the old category are create a new category under the new name.

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Your hyperbolic speech isn't helping matters. If you would just calmly address things as they are instead of hysterically misrepresenting things you might get better results. Instead, all you're getting is us laughing at you and leaving us unsure of whether we should take you seriously, because the

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and many users will be confused to the extent that articles will be incorrectly allocated to this category. There already appears to be a number of articles incorrectly allocated. The words “Hungarian descent” is clearly incorrect and this is why I suggested “Hungarian origin” (which I believe covers

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I am somehow implicated in), and I am able to say that simply because I disagree with you on the underlying issue. It's possible that your view is not the only "correct" one, and it would be nice to see an acknowledgment of at least that possibility. Oh yeah, and if you care about a category, it's a

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arrival here with the key leads, to solve what now turns out to be a rather circuitous route that serves as the basis for these and other mass deletions and changes that you have taken upon yourself, with Mayumashu and utilizing the HAL-Cyde-cyber bot and keeping in touch with its owner Cyde himself

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consensus about the final results, just reliance on technicalities, which is a very poor defense. Had you come over to this discussion when requested and explained what you eventually explained in any case above, there would have been no need for me to go over to your and Mayumashu's and Cyde's talk

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the old records and edits in a category's history in spite of it being moved, and not just serve as a master tool to meet the needs and imperatives of a handful of deletionist oriented masters who then create problems. Rather than fighting me, you should join in trying to figure out how to solve the

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I agree that " of Hungarian descent" is misleading, and should not have been introduced without discussion. I have some sympathy for the formulation "Austrian Jews of Hungarian Origin". Maybe someone will come up with an even better formulation. However the whole name is fraught with ambiguity. If a

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Hungarian (Magyar) influences and traditions. A German-speaking Austrian Jew would be offended and very surprised to be called a "Hungarian" and likewise a Hungarian-speaking Jew would be shocked and insulted to be called an "Austrian", regardless of the past Austro-Hungarian Empire. But the lineage

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First I find the deletion of this article presented to quite unfair. I understand and agree that some editing needed to be redone, but deletion simply did not present me with an opportunity to improve the article. On notability, the degree of scrutiny with which I prepared the material was like any

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other lists and categories by religion and ethnicity for major religions so Jews are no different and no less notable than any others. As I said, there has been a consensus (regardless of my or your ideas) to have lists and categories of Jews and that will remain so for the foreseeable future, that

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Yep that is a valid question. Why is someone who is 1% something need a category for that fact? I can see some sense if they are the first generation removed from the country but beyond that then need is not established. What exactly is gained here? So these combined categories are in my opinion

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Cyde: I am not a techie and I am not about to explore the innards of a horrid faceless monster bot against whom a human Knowledge editor is almost "naked" (at least bots cannot claim that they are being attacked "personally" since they are just non-human (or even in-human) mechanical drones that do

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on what basis and how it came to be that these categories were speedied and changed. Too much power concentrated in the hands of very few users, in this case a couple of admins wielding not just sysop powers but the savvy usage of bots that with one or two minor decisions and the decision to deploy

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about, but for now let us concentrate on correcting and rectifying and overturning the travesty they have perpetrated here with these 24 Jews' categories and then use that as the foundation and basis to overturn not just other "corrections/deletions/renamings" of Jews' categories they have taken on

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these renames because precedent was set for not using double or hyphenated adjectives in naming these categories because of their inherent semantic ambiguity. 'Fooian(-)Booian Jews' could be dual citizens of Fooia and Booia who are Jews, Fooian citizens of Booian ethnic or national origin/descent

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Good Ol, while you may have "zero control" you must take responsibility for what it causes and instigates especially if there is close cooperation between you, Mayumashu and the inhumanly over-efficient devastating Cyde-bot, and yours was the foundational nomination that eventually resulted in the

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pages if they have them or any relevant talk pages of articles and categories (that's why talk pages are there, for talking about such serious things), and sought out and requested expert opinions rather than relying on the theories and philosophies of one over-confident user's POV interpretations

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You are (apparently) conflating my participation in another discussion and my participation in cleaning up Cydebot's unfinished tasks of deletion after a category name change and thereby are assuming that I am somehow "behind" these changes to this category. I was not. (Incidentally, I agree with

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number of Wikiprojects where the INTELLIGENT editors reside. That's always good advice. I'll let you have the last word in this conversation, because I think the horse is dead and I won't be posting here again. I don't think you've done your cause much good in the tenor of your responses, though.

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We do not have categories like "American Mormons of Mexican descent", "American Catholics of Slovak descent", "American Catholics of German descent", not even "American Catholics of Irish descent". Some would say "well, Jewishness is ethnic, not just religious". So why do we not have "American

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To aid User:Stifle in understanding why the speedy renames of these occurred: I listed most if not all the categories in question as speedy renames based on C2.C criteria, that these pages did not follow the naming pattern of the parent category. e.g. 'Category:Egyptian American Jews' has two

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I agree with Tomer. This is from the Jewish perspective where ethnicity and nationality firmly overlap over centuries and millenia regardless of non-Jewish time-lines. There is no question that there exists and has been a distinct type of Jew who can be called a "Latvian Jew" regardless of the

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be attributed to "Hungary" alone. This category is somewhat different to the American ones, but it was an attempt by the same re-namers and deletionists to extend the changes into European Jewish categories, so I placed it here with the rest because it reveals the same lack of insight into the

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Second, I used and applied as reasonable standard of notability, per your reliable source guideline and looked at various independent sources to provide an objective view. Robinson may not be the Bill Gates of today or organizations associated with him the Microsoft of organizations, but his

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One would think—or at least hope ... But coupled with the tenor of the comments the user has recently left on my talk page, suggesting that I'm party to an unintelligent hasty destruction of the category system and possibly also western civilisation, it makes me start to wonder ...

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Lol—a little bit over the top, no? As I mentioned above, it would be nice if users could assume good faith and not overreact. If you want to be taken seriously, this may be a step in the wrong direction. ... You'll need to check with the nominator as to what his rationale was—I was

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You are not telling me anything that I don't already know at this time. I am pointing out the problems with the way things are. And just like bots with their faulty programs are created, likewise they can be reprogrammed and made to work in ways that enhance Knowledge by keeping

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If you have misunderstood this underlying fact, I suggest that it perhaps could explain a lot about this nomination and your reactions to the actions and comments of others. From my point of view, Cydebot works well in doing exactly what it is meant to do.

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specifics of Jews' origins and how they cannot be (re)named as "descending" from Hungarians or Austrians or whatnot because Jews have always been Jews for millenia, regardless of which cultures, empires and nationalities they landed up in over the ages.

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Finally, we are getting some reasoning here. But it it very faulty because the whole premise here is faulty since "nation origin" and the notion of a nation are latter-day concepts stemming from the time of the French Revolution and the creation of

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and hopefully they will show what they did. They hold the keys to this realm, and in spite of no consensus for such an important set of changes, they went ahead with this massive overhaul that has created more problems than it purports to "solve".

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as possible, and that is why I am taking the time here to ensure that "Jews" do not segue and blend into the mists of history with their former host-countries of national origin. Otherwise this becomes an exercise in reckless mish-mashing.

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Yes, it's quite easy to make light of things when you seem to repeatedly fail to get the message of what we have tried to communicate to you. How many times and in how many different ways can this be said so that you will understand?:

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while the Jewish people has a history that spans millenia and goes back to monarchies, empires, geographic areas, continents, religious groupings and much more. Those who create the original categories were NOT acting like modern-day

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This is odd. First you are party to speeding them then you want to follow normal slower procedures when things don't go your way. There is no difference between "origin" and "descent" both terms are ambiguous and need to be avoided.

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to Kenyaverification with permission to improve the article. Kenyaverification, when you've improved it—and take your time, there's no deadline—bring it back to this page where we'll examine it again in the light of your

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BTW, I consider it meaningless to talk about an Austro-Hungarian Jew. Austro-Hungary was a political entity with distinct Austrian and Hungarian components, and Jews within the empire identified as either Hungarian or

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solely on themselves to perform but to stop and overturn and monitor, and certainly open up to a wider discussion on Knowledge the entire set of changes they have stealthily deployed in violation of all the rules of

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When a nominator says, "I understand and agree that some editing needed to be redone, but deletion simply did not present me with an opportunity to improve the article," he should be given the opportunity he seeks.

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for the sake of DRV and list if required at CFD. The number of bytes taken up by this discussion alone indicates these renamings - and broader issues - need discussion. That discussion shouldn't happen here.

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I have no opinion as to whether or not the speedies were correct. In the case of a contested speedy, a full CFD is started. Ignoring the conspiracy theories, that's what this is: a contested speedy. So,

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with absolutely NO mention of Jews' categories there and even the 3 Judaic editors who commented were skeptical and were overwhelmed by the sweeping changes. At no time was there a notification placed at

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but still remained Jews and then even if they assimilated they are known by this name of ethnic/religious/cultural origin, just as fourth generation Italian and Irish immigrants are known as

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Good Ol: It seems pretty clear now, that it was Mayumashu who nominated most of them for speedies, but your mass nominations are also part of the over-arching rationale as you admit above.

3625:. Why don't you actually do the work to find out who the nominator was and then pester them instead of continually assuming that the wrong people are somehow keeping information from you? 2791: 2159: 1737: 1429: 1113: 4555:, so suggesting that they have familial ties to non-Jewish Hungarians, Austrians, Mexicans, Latvians, etc., is incorrect. If there must be a category, "of Fooian origin" is more correct. 4547:. I have often written about American rabbis who were born in Eastern Europe, and appreciate IZAK's sensitivity to the implications of "descent". Actually, all Jews really "descend" from 3479: 3392: 3365: 2689: 2051: 1535: 4274:

What makes these categories different? And if nothing, then should we not send this back to CfD with a request that they reconsider with a view to deleting the categories completely?—

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only became a nationality in 1918 when the Republic of Latvia was proclaimed. The correct terminology for people descending from Jews born in the Russian Empire would be

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Lastly, one of the editors requested a condensed version and revision and I was working on that but was you still deleted before I could repost. Request relist. - Jack.

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and its successors registered their citizens/subjects according to ethnicity, so being Russian of Jewish ethnicity (descent) is a reality. This is possible since

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I have zero control over how other users choose to cite a successful CFD nomination that I started. I wish you had figured out the facts before attacking others.

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The consensus was clearly to delete the article on notability grounds. This DRV is not really necessary if the closing admin is willing to userfy or incubate.

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to help you fine-tune and plunge forth with the thousands of speedy changes you are performing without much oversight and answering to no one. I see that on

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Well, I was not familiar with the Jewish perspective, so I can now add something to my bag of wisdom. I must also admit that I was not right in saying that

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pages multiple times (even as you mocked me and made fun of my requests which was totally uncalled for and degrading and demeaning itself a violation of

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Could someone please explain why these categories are necessary at all? They seem overly granular to me. What's wrong with placing someone in both

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Were you the one to start the suggestions fore mass speedy deletes? If not who was it? Could you point us to the main discussion please. Thank you.

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reach back for even more radical suggestions that no one wants right now and that would create a huge controversy, since as you point out there

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Hi Davshul: I disagree with you. They are either Austrian-Hungarian Jews or Hungarian-Austrian Jews depending on if they were dominated by

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as possible and not open themselves up to misinterpretations as would happen with the speedy changes for which no consensus was attained.

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informing of how the sweeping changes would effect them and the work they have put in over many years. Then continuing in this path, User

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that these are probably overcategorizaiton. In a full discussion, rename options and the possibility of deletion could all be pursued.)

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the concerns expressed by you), but I am open to any other suggestions that are unlikely to be viewed as confusing or ambiguous. Cheers

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Hi, I've been asked for my input on my talk page. As far as who nominated the categories, Mayumashu nominated most of these categories

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by relying on arcane and little known loopholes that allow for radical action when more thoughtful methods should have been utilized.

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difficult changes, the world be damned. That is no way to make fellow Wikipedians happy and it flies in the face of all the tenets of

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Your definition of ethnicity and nationality is somewhat muddled, but in any case, this probably isn't the venue for that discussion.

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community involvement is evident. I find that despite this, the editors deleted the article. This is quite unfair and discriminatory.

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These changes were not my idea. I was not the nominator. I did not "speedy them". There is no "my way" that isn't being adhered to.

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and linked it from several projects, but it seems nobody cares. May be people engaged in this talk have an opinion to express.

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I figure it has to be a joke. It's not contributing very helpfully to this discussion, of course, but it's funny at least. --

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as per IZAK and Yonkeltron. Reckless bad faith changes to WP by editors who still seem to not think they need consensus. --

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quite unnecessarily hyperbolic, and I don't feel it needs a direct response, apart from just my saying that I do stand by

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It's easy to make light of things, but it took me a relatively long time and some tough love to get you guys to cough up

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is not even the question here. And given that now that these lists and categories do exists, then they need to be as

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goes, categories nominated there can be processed as early as 48 hours after the initial nomination if there are no

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is reasonable. I've been in contact with the author/nominator in the hopes that these issues can be addressed. —

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as perIzak, he said it better than I could have, but it seems like we should be using the more prevalent term.

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Category talk:American people by ethnic or national origin#Emigrants who landed in America after long travel

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I also was asked to comment on this. I don't have anything further to add, really. I was the nominator for

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makes absolutely no sense. Most of the persons categorized in this category were born in the time of the

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Izak. Whilst I understand your reasoning, I believe that the subtleties are not conveyed by the name

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EACH AND EVERY ONE of those national/ethnic/religious groups mentioned should have been informed on

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S. Marshal's question is a good one. Your suggestion of "What's wrong with placing someone in both

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I don't know very much about Jews or Jewishness, IZAK, but it seems to me that if we're to have a

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Thanks. I'd like to hear the deleters' reasons for the actions before I jump to any conclusions.

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who are Jews, or 'Booian citizens of Fooian ethnic or national origin/descent who are Jews.

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good idea to add it to your watchlist rather than hectoring others to notify the appropriate

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I would guess because people (editors) are not clamoring for the creation of that category.

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has been a sovereign state without interruptions since prior to Jews settled in Russia.

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in background to the cultural and historic, not just the "national" backgrounds of, say

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problems so that these kind of mass mysterious deletions don't snowball out of control.

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makes absolutely no sense. Especially, since I found an article that pierces my point -

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Whoa! Now this is both truly fascinating as it is utterly shocking! According to User

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things you say are so preposterous. Here's a hint: The source code for Cydebot is

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with Jews being both an ethnic/national and cultural/religious sub-group. See the

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as a religion/culture/way of life, and then subsequently brought this over to the

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that there are no disagreement with the nominations. These are then taken to

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Hi S Marshal: Let's stick with the present situation and DRV here and let's

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Comment: I think that is a good suggestion Davshul makes, immediately above.

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and list at CfD. That's where any discussion of renaming/deletion belongs.

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Scientizzle's closure as a fair reflection of the debate that took place.—

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secular politics of the day. They then came over to America like other

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Christian origins in Russia which the Jews there were obviously not.

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deletions like this should be BANNED from Knowledge. In the case of

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I think the consensus was remarkably clear for my close (read: I

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Irrespective of this decision, this category should be renamed

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A relisting will have this result, just in a roundabout way.)

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A bit offtopic, but...: Some time ago I raised this question

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then what is? This is certainly worth lodging a complaint at

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deletion and renaming of these key Jews' categories without

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Knowledge:Articles for deletion/Diaspora Movement of Kenya

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person is described as a "Hungarian Jew", does that mean

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Note: this article bears relation to the recently-closed

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Categories:American Jews/Jewish people by fooian descent

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That doesn't really answer the question tho, does it?

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Armenians of Lebanese descent" and related categories?

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Overturn, but to discuss rename to an alternative name

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articles in depth to understand this clearly. Thanks,

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Can we get a link to all the CFDs in question please?

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Category:American people by ethnic or national origin

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help and cooperation, and then subsequently based on

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thru carelessness. While "Tunisian American" matches

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Knowledge:Articles for deletion/Isaac Newton Kinity

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While Hungarian Jews from 8: 3917:Category:American people of Egyptian descent 3855:Category:American people of Egyptian descent 3173:list of Judaism-related deletion discussions 2211:Category:American Jews of Lithuanian descent 2207:Category:American Jews of Lithuanian descent 1587:Category:American Jews of Belarusian descent 1583:Category:American Jews of Belarusian descent 861:Category:American Jews of Portuguese descent 857:Category:American Jews of Portuguese descent 4268:, it would be deleted at CfD on grounds of 4266:Category:Pakistani Sikhs of Punjabi descent 1897:Category:American Jews of Hungarian descent 1893:Category:American Jews of Hungarian descent 1163:Category:American Jews of Ukrainian descent 1159:Category:American Jews of Ukrainian descent 532:Category:Austrian Jews of Hungarian descent 410:The following is an archived debate of the 114:The following is an archived debate of the 3167: 3053:Category:American Jews of Egyptian descent 3049:Category:American Jews of Egyptian descent 2951:Category:American Jews of Moroccan descent 2947:Category:American Jews of Moroccan descent 2845:Category:American Jews of Tunisian descent 2841:Category:American Jews of Tunisian descent 2539:Category:American Jews of Canadian descent 2535:Category:American Jews of Canadian descent 1791:Category:American Jews of Romanian descent 1787:Category:American Jews of Romanian descent 548:Category:Austrian Jews of Hungarian origin 382: 63: 3921:Category:American Jews by national origin 3859:Category:American Jews by national origin 2313:Category:American Jews of Latvian descent 2309:Category:American Jews of Latvian descent 1269:Category:American Jews of Russian descent 1265:Category:American Jews of Russian descent 963:Category:American Jews of Italian descent 959:Category:American Jews of Italian descent 759:Category:American Jews of Spanish descent 755:Category:American Jews of Spanish descent 657:Category:American Jews of Mexican descent 653:Category:American Jews of Mexican descent 3923:. 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If this is not an example of 3468:)" -- something straight out of 2503:American Jews of Latvian descent 2436:American Jews of Russian descent 2416:American Jews of Latvian descent 1957:Category:Hungarian-American Jews 1223:Category:Ukrainian-American Jews 594:Category:Hungarian-Austrian Jews 540:Category:Hungarian-Austrian Jews 489:Category:Hungarian-Austrian Jews 4793:The above is an archive of the 4570:List at CFD for full discussion 3109:Category:Egyptian American Jews 3007:Category:Moroccan American Jews 2901:Category:Tunisian American Jews 2595:Category:Canadian-American Jews 1851:Category:Romanian-American Jews 367:The above is an archive of the 4545:American Jews of Fooian origin 4264:. But, if I tried to start a 4254:Category:Irish Roman Catholics 4034:American Jews of Fooian origin 2412:repost from category talk page 2369:Category:Latvian-American Jews 1329:Category:Russian-American Jews 1019:Category:Italian-American Jews 815:Category:Spanish American Jews 713:Category:Mexican American Jews 1: 4774:. Per IZAK and Yonkeltron.-- 2799:Category:Syrian American Jews 2165:Category:German-American Jews 1745:Category:Slavic American Jews 1435:Category:Polish-American Jews 1121:Category:French-American Jews 297:my own closure), but I think 4147:as per IZAK and Yonkeltron. 2697:Category:Iraqi American Jews 2059:Category:Swiss-American Jews 1541:Category:Czech-American Jews 4258:Category:Japanese Buddhists 546:", but suggest renaming to 210:) 00:55, 28 May 2010 (UTC) 4820: 4365:alone could also imply of 4339:is actually feasible. The 618:A Jew who speaks Hungarian 615:A Jew who lives in Hungary 534:, based on the discussion 3123:thru carelessness. 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